Back up off of Manu

[Mel_13]

what is = value for a broken for man?

then you can discuss if spurs can get = value for him

Which is exactly why it makes little sense to trade him this now.

I have no philosophical opposition to the notion of trading Manu if it makes sense for the Spurs, but his value right now is about as low as it is going to get. If he can't overcome the injuries, his expiring contract will have the same value at the trade deadline that it has now.

If he can overcome the injuries then his value increases. Why not wait and see?

[ducks]

I think if spurs traded manu for kobe
some would not think it would be = value

[roycrikside]

stats say tp is more clutch then manu

which stats? You don't even know how to read stats. Every time anyone has pointed out a relevant Manu stat to you in the last five years you've ignored it.

[pjjrfan]

A healthy Manu would make everyone around him better, Smith, Anderson and Prince don't bring that to the table. Manu has a better feel for his teammates than even Tony or Tim do, that's not something you can teach, he just has that always has, and that's why Manu was the driving force for every team he's been on and for the Spurs because as a team player he is willing to play second fiddle to all his teammates. And Manu has always been smart enough to realize Tim's and Tony's talents. I have to at least give him a year to see how far his game has fallen off if at all. Tim on the other hand has lost something, as far back as 2 years ago. For most of Tim's career I rarely if ever saw him take off-balance shots, the last two seasons he rarely takes a any shot with his feet set he seems to take more off balance shots and usually put the ball in the defenders range to get it blocked, how often did that happen in 2007? although in the early part of the season he played like the old Tim for quite a while until he came up limping in February.

[roycrikside]

FT shooting is (was ?) the only reason. not him being more clutch than tim or tony. all stats say the contrary.

Actually, there is statistical information to back up that he was the most clutch player in the nba in '07-08.

[roycrikside]

I think if spurs traded manu for kobe
some would not think it would be = value

Alright Ducks. Manu fans will give up Manu for Kobe when you give up Tony for CP3.

[SA210]

ducks
Rodney21a
and
mookie2001

Are all just dealing with the bitterness of another playoff exit the wrong way...

We all know ducks thinks LeBron is overrated, he's uttered that opinion countless of times... How's that working out for his credibility?

Fact is you can't trade Manu and get anything remotely close to equal value for him... any attempt to move him at this point would be worse for the Spurs than the stupid, idiotic Scola trade...


What the Spurs need to do...

Get rid of:
Vaughn
Bonner
Finley
Udoka
&
Oberto

Keep Bowen for the continued mentorship of Hill.

Then give more minutes to:
Hill
Mahinmi
Gist
M. Williams

Quit playing Mason at the point.

Bring in Rasheed on the cheap...

With longer than usual rest Duncan and Ginobili will be as fired up as ever...

Agree, although Bowen should still start.

[SA210]

Manu is the heart and fire of this team. He plays with more heart than ANYONE. He stays!

[JustBlaze]

No we wouldn't be. We have no second unit. Manu is our entire bench.
JR Smith is a brainless chucker. He's a high flyer, but has ZERO basketball IQ.

Funny seeing this idiot call someone else a brainless chucker when he him self is completely brainless when it comes to JR's game. If you think that's all he does, then you seriously need to start watching some of his games right now, not the ones in the past. If you've watched him all year like I have then you'd realize that he no longer jacks up 3's all game. Much like Melo, this year, JR's improved his IQ by quite a bit. He's decision making skill is the area that has shined the most. You won't see him taking a lot of bad shots like used to or forcing up shots even when there not falling as much as well. In addition to that, he'll also assume the pg role when Chauncey's on the bench. Whenever both he and AC are out on the court, they'll take turns handling the ball, create/setting plays for others. Even with Chauncey out there, you'll see him doing it more and more too whilst under the guidance of Chauncey. So, yes, he has somewhat become our pg as well, albeit it's a work in progress.

I'll admit, if you had made that comment about him last season, there would've been a lot of truth to it. However, if you still feel this way even after this year, then you're truly blind and haven't obviously been watching the guy at all.

[JustBlaze]

Not really. His stats have barely changed. Not to mention he was part of the Denver team that got swept by the Lakers last year.
Billups is making everyone look better in Denver right now.

LMAO, should've known you were a stat reader. Durr, JR hasn't changed at all, just look at his stats, they look the same.

Also, I'll have you know that JR was by far our best player in that Laker series last year. Since you seem like a stat nut, here's his production vs LA last year in the Playoffs too.


Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
07-08 DEN 4 0 27.0 0.535 0.318 0.833 0.3 1.5 1.8 1.8 1.0 0.0 1.25 3.00 18.3

[sammy]

Damn, whole bunch of people keep talking about: "trade Ginobili" and "he's too injury prone".

It was barely but 2 seasons ago that he had his best year with us. He injures one ankle in the playoffs and re-aggravates it in the off-season, As a result, he over-compensates on the other ankle injuring that one when the other was fully healed.

In the past the past 7 plus seasons, how many times has he honestly injured each of these ankles?

Manu stays my friends. If he's 100% healthy next season [no excuse for him not to be], he will play with such a chip on his shoulder. If the FO can get some decent guys around the Big 3, and Tim, Manu and Tony are healthy, this will be a championship contending team.

I agree that Splitter is a long shot so Mahinmi will get a go round the first half of the season. If Pop doesn't like what he see's, Ian is gone in a mid-season trade.

Marcus Williams may get some playing time, and who knows, maybe the Spurs can sign Gist, or sway Ariza, or still get Sheed or keep Gooden.

If all of the above could happen, I know next season will be much more successful than this one.

Agreed!
I am sick of all these assholes trashing Manu and wanting trade him! He has not been injured on the same ankle over and over! Give me a breaK! You watch, he will be healthy this year and all of these traitor assholes will jump on the bandwagon and say he's awesome! I want all of these traitors to eat crow and admit when they are wrong! Sick and tired of this !

[Solid D]

Using the current formula:
If Big Ticket Garnett gets injured again next season and cannot perform at his peak, or not perform at all, then

=

Injury Prone/Damaged Goods/Trade Fodder


Baby Einstein Duck

[024]

this is tim duncan's team. the spurs have to make every possible decision to make this team better for duncan. the team owes him everything and should not rule anything out to bring duncan his fifth championship.

[ducks]

Using the current formula:
If Big Ticket Garnett gets injured again next season and cannot perform at his peak, or not perform at all, then

=

Injury Prone/Damaged Goods/Trade Fodder


Baby Einstein Duck

lol solid d

[ducks]

Have you even bothered to consider that Manu's injuries are the result of his all-out style of play...

When the Spurs are down in the 4th quarter... no one but Manu has the capability of getting to the stripe... that's why the ball is often placed in his hands in the clutch... not necessarily because he is perceived as a better decision-maker than TP (or that somehow you take that personal)... it is Manu's (sometimes reckless) ability to put his body on the line - something TP doesn't really excel at.

Anyways, you're just a Hater.

not tp fault they refuse to call fouls

[Solid D]

lol solid d

[ducks]

Originally Posted by ElNono View Post

No we wouldn't be. We have no second unit. Manu is our entire bench.
JR Smith is a brainless chucker. He's a high flyer, but has ZERO basketball IQ.


this jr smith dives to hoop
plays point some when chauncy is out
creates shots for others
very similar to manu
the new jr smith is much better then the old one
the old manu is way better then the new jr smith
but I am not convinced the old manu is better then the new smith

oh and playing with duncan and tp should make jr better
oh and pop>karl

[Mel_13]

the old manu is way better then the new jr smith
but I am not convinced the old manu is better then the new smith

[duncan228]

You need the ducks decoder ring.

[ducks]

is the current manu better then jr smith?
WHO knows for sure?
who knows how worse manu will be because of his current injury

[Mel_13]

is the current manu better then jr smith?
WHO knows for sure?
who knows how worse manu will be because of hi current injury

read what you wrote ducks

[Manufan909]

I bet Manu plays out of his mind next season, then gets a minor injury and misses 2 games around january, and all the haters showing up from their holes to tell us how they were right.

mookie and ducks will be chomping at the bit for that game.

[ElNono]

Funny seeing this idiot call someone else a brainless chucker when he him self is completely brainless when it comes to JR's game. If you think that's all he does, then you seriously need to start watching some of his games right now, not the ones in the past. If you've watched him all year like I have then you'd realize that he no longer jacks up 3's all game. Much like Melo, this year, JR's improved his IQ by quite a bit. He's decision making skill is the area that has shined the most. You won't see him taking a lot of bad shots like used to or forcing up shots even when there not falling as much as well. In addition to that, he'll also assume the pg role when Chauncey's on the bench. Whenever both he and AC are out on the court, they'll take turns handling the ball, create/setting plays for others. Even with Chauncey out there, you'll see him doing it more and more too whilst under the guidance of Chauncey. So, yes, he has somewhat become our pg as well, albeit it's a work in progress.

I'll admit, if you had made that comment about him last season, there would've been a lot of truth to it. However, if you still feel this way even after this year, then you're truly blind and haven't obviously been watching the guy at all.

I've watched all the Denver games this postseason. I have no beef with Denver. I even been to the Pepsi Center.
That said, comparing Ginobili and JR Smith is comparing apples to oranges. At no point in any game JR Smith is the go to guy. He's in no way, shape or form a playmaker. He simply couldn't run our entire bench.
He has improved since Chauncey got there, because Chauncey will make everyone look better. That's what star players of Billups caliber do (just like Duncan does for us).
That said, JR certainly has a good upside years down the road if he keeps soaking basketball IQ from somebody like Billups.
But call me back when Karl puts the ball in JR hands when a playoff series is on the line.

[JustBlaze]

I've watched all the Denver games this postseason. I have no beef with Denver. I even been to the Pepsi Center.
That said, comparing Ginobili and JR Smith is comparing apples to oranges. At no point in any game JR Smith is the go to guy. He's in no way, shape or form a playmaker. He simply couldn't run our entire bench.
He has improved since Chauncey got there, because Chauncey will make everyone look better. That's what star players of Billups caliber do (just like Duncan does for us).
That said, JR certainly has a good upside years down the road if he keeps soaking basketball IQ from somebody like Billups.
But call me back when Karl puts the ball in JR hands when a playoff series is on the line.

Fair enough. Even though my post had nothing to do w/ comparing him to Manu. But, yeah in comparison, Manu's a lot better, especially when healthy. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

[mosdef17]

stats say tp is more clutch then manu

Stats? is this guy serious? Stats say that Chris Anderson is a better defender then Tim Duncan. Stats say that Chris Duhon is a better playmaker then Chauncey Billups. Stats also say that Shane Battier is one of the worst players in the entire NBA. Stats... I assume your joking. Who cares about stats.

You honestly can't believe that Parker is a better closer then Ginobili. Parker is my favourite player in the NBA and I can admit that I want the ball in Manu's hands down 1 with 20secs to go over Parker.