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You replace Bill Russell with me on those Celtics teams against the 8 other NBA teams during his time and I guarantee you we still win 11 rings.Bah...if you wanna talk rings, MJ's got nothing on Bill Russell.
Rings is the most overused stat when ranking how good an individual was. Players don't win rings. Teams do.Bah...if you wanna talk rings, MJ's got nothing on Bill Russell.
You replace Bill Russell with me on those Celtics teams against the 8 other NBA teams during his time and I guarantee you we still win 11 rings.Bah...if you wanna talk rings, MJ's got nothing on Bill Russell.
My point exactly. Thank you.
I honestly think that Jordan would be able to handle it. I think to say Jordan wouldn't is really a disgrace to what his Airness was. Maybe it's because he played so long ago. If Lebron can handle it as an 18 year old kid, I think MJ would be able to do the same. I don't question that Wade, Lebron, and Kobe are great players. However, to say that Jordan wouldn't be the same because he would have to defend them is nonsense. Jordan was a good defender in his own rights. He was an ultimate compe or and a student of the game and very intelligent. I think he would handle himself just the same if not better in today's league.
His (Jordan's) 3 point shooting %, in the 80's, is ugly!!
I think people just see rings, and instantly think "leadership!"My point exactly. Thank you.
I personally look at individual leadership performances, whether in win or loss. I think people can display great leadership even if they lose. Whereas people can show poor leadership even though they win.
Wrong.
Jordan's F/T percentage coming into the league was 84.5%. The shooting touch was always there, just never utilized or fully developed until it needed to be.
Lebron came into the league shooting about 75% from the F/T line and actually saw his numbers DECREASE to as low as 70% in the next couple of seasons. That is pretty unheard of in this league. I'll agree with you that he has improved his form and is now shooting a respectable 78% from the F/T line, but that is still pretty bad for a superstar perimeter player.
who teh cares who the GOAT is, its a team sport and youre judged by rings. There's always going to come along a person thats better than you and that time will come for jordan as well as lebron. But at the moment, jordan has 6 les. so ...
Again, I'm not saying he couldn't handle it. And I'm not saying hes not the GOAT, because he is. I just don't think he is as far ahead of guys like Lebron, Kobe, and Wade, as people say. I feel a lot of it is nostalgia, and people simply watching highlight clips of all the good he does, forgetting that he has flaws, just like anyone.
And when I say he wouldn't be the same because of other guys on his level, I'm talking about on defense more-so, because he wouldn't be as dominant of a defender, because he would have better compe ion to face, guys comparable to his skill level. And then other defenders are better, and able to give him more fits than people were in the 80s. I think you misunderstood that point.
Well just look at T-Mac. The guy is a fantastic shooter with insane range, but has always struggled from the line. Artest also has been a good shooter (with bad shot selection harming his percentages), but a terrible FT shooter.
How about Bruce Bowen? Always had a great 3pt shot, but terrible from the line.
Wrong. Lebron's F/T percentage directly mirrors his bad midrange game and it pretty much does with most NBA players, the ones you have named are anomalies. You're not going to find a single person on this board that thinks Lebron James has a good midrange jumper.
He actually shoots better from 3pt land than he does inside of the arc.
Prove it.
As far as I know the NBA doesn't specifically record stats for inside the arc midrange shots.
I think he would still be a good defender. He might not be a Bruce Bowen/Ron Artest defender, but I think him and Kobe would be on the same level. It's too far back for me to remember his defense.
What about the player's shooting chart where you see his shooting % from pretty much anywhere on the court?
Yeah, but Matt Bonner >>>>> MJ > LBJ
until he wins 6 ships... MJ>LBJ
As KB24 never won one without Shaq... it's fair to say nowdays that LBJ>KB24 though
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Michael Jordan never won without Scottie Pippen either.until he wins 6 ships... MJ>LBJ
As KB24 never won one without Shaq... it's fair to say nowdays that LBJ>KB24 though
Your argument is stupid and baseless. Kobe has 3 rings that he legitimately earned.
As far as rings go, KB24 > LBJ.
KB24 wasn't the go-to guy neither the best player on the teams that won those 3 rings...
The only time he got a shot at doing it by himself he failed just like LBJ did...
Therefore... they should be compared by individual performance in between them... then is when LBJ is clearly > KB24
I'll add a couple of things to offer some more perspective about Michael Jordan when he played, even though I'm not trying to argue either way between him and LeBron at this point in their respective careers. I still think LeBron has a ways to go before comparisons are fair, at any stage of their careers.
But, at any rate, something to consider aside from the differences in pace, the hand check rule, and zone defense is the fact that Michael Jordan was one of the first of his size at the shooting guard position. He was a pretty legitimate 6-foot-6 and played approximately between 205 and 215 lbs. for most of his career. In the late 80s and early 90s, that was an incredible size for a shooting guard. Add his long wingspan and huge hands, he had a physical advantage essentially every night. The average shooting guard in the late 80s and early 90s was about 6-foot-3 to 6-foot-4 and around 180 lbs., particularly the shooting guards on some of the better teams in that period, like Danny Ainge, Joe Dumars, Byron Scott, and John Starks. Guys with the size like Jordan and Drexler and Reggie Miller (at least height wise) was very rare back then for the shooting guard position. Today, it's extremely rare a shooting guard isn't at least 6-foot-6, athletic, and with a great wingspan. You add the fact that his small forward teammate was Scottie Pippen, and teams rarely could afford to switch their small forward onto Jordan to defend him.
Jordan is still the greatest of all time. And, he'd still dominate in today's game. But, while it's all hypothetical and conjecture, I actually do side with the opinion that he wouldn't dominate the same way or much more that Kobe and LeBron and Wade do, if more at all.
The diference is that MJ was the best player on the Bulls, Kobe wasn't the best player on that Lakers team.
Kobe was very much the go to guy in the clutch.KB24 wasn't the go-to guy neither the best player on the teams that won those 3 rings...
The only time he got a shot at doing it by himself he failed just like LBJ did...
Therefore... they should be compared by individual performance in between them... then is when LBJ is clearly > KB24
Go back and rewatch the tape.
John Havlicek > Jordan > Kobe
Havlicek won 8 rings, and even won two rings without Bill Russell.
I don't need to re-watch a whole lot when Shaq was voted by specialized media as the Finals MVP 3 times in a row when KB24 got nada...
Being clutch in a 4th quarter doesn't make you the best player on the team either...
You have NO WAY to prove me wrong with my statement... give up already...
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