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    Flawed logic. There are non Spurs fans on these boards that hate on Kobe too.

    I think the major reason Kobe is hated on here is because of Kobe sucking fans and their irritating threads and posts. I've read several posters post that they don't even really hate the Lakers and that some even like Kobe, but it's the Kobe d-bag fans that lead them to hating on Kobe.

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    Flawed logic. There are non Spurs fans on these boards that hate on Kobe too.

    I think the major reason Kobe is hated on here is because of Kobe sucking fans and their irritating threads and posts. I've read several posters post that they don't even really hate the Lakers and that some even like Kobe, but it's the Kobe d-bag fans that lead them to hating on Kobe.
    Agreed.

    Kobe is just one of the many examples of players I dislike largely because they have this annoying club of groupie apologists that are irritating to listen to. Amare and Nash are two great examples of this. If I didn't have to listen to a bunch of morons in Phoenix talk about Nash's great leadership and Amar""""e's great work ethic I probably wouldn't hate them so much.

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    All I know is THIS forum is going to become a very interesting place if Kobe gets a ring this year.
    This forum will be an interesting place regardless of what happens.

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    Nash is in AWESOME

    ing great player

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    Flawed logic. There are non Spurs fans on these boards that hate on Kobe too.

    I think the major reason Kobe is hated on here is because of Kobe sucking fans and their irritating threads and posts. I've read several posters post that they don't even really hate the Lakers and that some even like Kobe, but it's the Kobe d-bag fans that lead them to hating on Kobe.
    +1 and let me add this same phenomena applies to the Lakers in general too.
    I personally couldn't care less if the Lakers win it all. I actually think they play a very watchable kind of basketball. But it's the bipolar, apologists d-bag fans that really ruin it for me.

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    Kobe said

    "The truth is, he(Shaq) never would have won without me. And we would have never won without anybody else, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher"

    I call bull .

    According to Kobe Bryant, Shaq would have won his first ring at age 34 with the Miami Heat in 2006, and then retire with only 1 ring, and no Finals Mvp's.

    Shaq was too great for that. If not Kobe, then someone else would have built a team around Shaq.
    Thats funny cuz, Shaq has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league!

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    Thats funny cuz, Shaq has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league!
    Except this year?

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    I can say on THIS forum the Kobe hate stems entirely from Spur fans themselves and not because of anything Laker fans do or say. It's nice to rationalize that Kobe fans are the reason people hate Kobe but the reality is that most people here hate Kobe for what he's done to their teams and his smug and y at ude.

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    Thats funny cuz, Shaq has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league!
    Not this year

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    I can say on THIS forum the Kobe hate stems entirely from Spur fans themselves and not because of anything Laker fans do or say. It's nice to rationalize that Kobe fans are the reason people hate Kobe but the reality is that most people here hate Kobe for what he's done to their teams and his smug and y at ude.
    Kobe hasn't done anything to my team......and again Kobe isn't the only player I hate cause of his apologist fans.

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    Replace Kobe from 00-03 with 04-07 Manu and they still win 3 les
    Spurs would 3peat.

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    I can say on THIS forum the Kobe hate stems entirely from Spur fans themselves and not because of anything Laker fans do or say. It's nice to rationalize that Kobe fans are the reason people hate Kobe but the reality is that most people here hate Kobe for what he's done to their teams and his smug and y at ude.
    As DoK mentioned, then Suns fans should love Kobe... ah, but they don't.

    The Pistons have done really well against Kobe, but there are Pistons fans that hate on Kobe.

    It really is about Kobe fans. Not only them, but they play a vital role in the hatred of Kobe. You continue to argue with poor logic.

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    As DoK mentioned, then Suns fans should love Kobe... ah, but they don't.

    The Pistons have done really well against Kobe, but there are Pistons fans that hate on Kobe.

    It really is about Kobe fans. Not only them, but they play a vital role in the hatred of Kobe. You continue to argue with poor logic.
    Why would Suns fans love Kobe? That makes no sense.

    And no the Kobe hate has absolutely nothing to do with people who are fans of Kobe. He was hated long before Colorado ever happened and long before he ever had the fanbase he has now.

    He was hated because he came into this league with the audacity to think he could be better than MJ. The iness, arrogance, and smug at ude rubbed off the wrong way on people. People looked at Kobe and thought, "who the does this guy think he is?", and naturally they rooted for him to fail and have done so ever since.

    This has nothing to do with Kobe fans. That is pure deflection.

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    You said people hate Kobe for what he's done to their teams.

    The two most recent times Kobe has faced Phoenix in the playoffs, what happened? Why would they hate Kobe for losing to their team? What's the opposite of hate?

    Kobe's arrogance and egomania play a role in it as well, no doubt. But, I'm saying a lot of hate on these boards is a product of Kobe fans. And, that's not deflection in the slightest.

    I'm a Kobe fan. If you've read my past posts on Kobe on these boards, I'm one of his bigger apologists. I make the occasional joke at his expense, but when it comes to his game, play, skills, I defend the guy more times than not. And, I can see pretty clearly that Kobe hate is often generated in response to sucking Kobe fans and their warped sense of reality. Even now, it's your warped sense of reality that leads to your denial of that reality.

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    You said people hate Kobe for what he's done to their teams.

    The two most recent times Kobe has faced Phoenix in the playoffs, what happened? Why would they hate Kobe for losing to their team? What's the opposite of hate?

    Kobe's arrogance and egomania play a role in it as well, no doubt. But, I'm saying a lot of hate on these boards is a product of Kobe fans. And, that's not deflection in the slightest.

    I'm a Kobe fan. If you've read my past posts on Kobe on these boards, I'm one of his bigger apologists. I make the occasional joke at his expense, but when it comes to his game, play, skills, I defend the guy more times than not. And, I can see pretty clearly that Kobe hate is often generated in response to sucking Kobe fans and their warped sense of reality. Even now, it's your warped sense of reality that leads to your denial of that reality.
    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    The Kobe hate threads would still exist on this forum even if no Laker fan ever posted here.

    And the Kobe hate is a ulative thing. It mostly started because of the y and arrogant at ude he displayed when he first entered the league. It grew for Spur fans even greater when he dismantled them time and time again in the playoffs.

    As far as Suns fans go, just because you beat a team in the playoffs doesn't mean you like their players. The Lakers have slapped the Nuggets several times but that doesn't mean I like K-Mart, JR Smith, or the rest of the Thuggets anymore.

    Your logic, reasoning, and debate skills suck Jamstone.

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    And no the Kobe hate has absolutely nothing to do with people who are fans of Kobe. He was hated long before Colorado ever happened and long before he ever had the fanbase he has now.

    He was hated because he came into this league with the audacity to think he could be better than MJ. The iness, arrogance, and smug at ude rubbed off the wrong way on people. People looked at Kobe and thought, "who the does this guy think he is?", and naturally they rooted for him to fail and have done so ever since.

    This has nothing to do with Kobe fans. That is pure deflection.
    I rarely agree with House's rantings but he is spot on here. Kobe is hated becuase of his y arrogance. Add to that all the media hype and winning and it's human nature to try to bring people like that down a peg or two.

    Not at all unlike what the darling boy Lebron has gone through this week (minus the winning of course).

    And to all you who say you hate him because of a fanbase... Wow! Just WOW. You actually let fans you don't know from another team determine your admiration level for a particular players skills and/or accomplishments? That you could let people you despise determine what you do and dont like is pure weakness of character. So sad.
    Last edited by cobbler; 06-04-2009 at 01:06 AM.

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    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    The Kobe hate threads would still exist on this forum even if no Laker fan ever posted here.

    And the Kobe hate is a ulative thing. It mostly started because of the y and arrogant at ude he displayed when he first entered the league. It grew for Spur fans even greater when he dismantled them time and time again in the playoffs.

    As far as Suns fans go, just because you beat a team in the playoffs doesn't mean you like their players. The Lakers have slapped the Nuggets several times but that doesn't mean I like K-Mart, JR Smith, or the rest of the Thuggets anymore.

    Your logic, reasoning, and debate skills suck Jamstone.
    It was exaggeration to prove a point. And why did you change your argument? First the hate was about what Kobe did to the "haters'" teams. Once refuted, you simply ignored that and just went back only to the Kobe is y argument. At least admit it's not because of what Kobe did to the teams of fans who hate on him.

    I would be more than agreeable that Kobe hate is a ulative thing. And, one of those things is responding to Kobe sucking fans. That's part of it, a big part of it.

    If no Laker fan was on these boards, people would still make fun of Kobe, but there wouldn't be near the venom. Most of the hate on Kobe is in response to Kobe fans. Just accept it already.

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    It was exaggeration to prove a point. And why did you change your argument? First the hate was about what Kobe did to the "haters'" teams. Once refuted, you simply ignored that and just went back only to the Kobe is y argument. At least admit it's not because of what Kobe did to the teams of fans who hate on him.

    I would be more than agreeable that Kobe hate is a ulative thing. And, one of those things is responding to Kobe sucking fans. That's part of it, a big part of it.

    If no Laker fan was on these boards, people would still make fun of Kobe, but there wouldn't be near the venom. Most of the hate on Kobe is in response to Kobe fans. Just accept it already.
    There aren't any Kobe-only fans on this forum.

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    Kobe's great. His fans aren't.

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    son Shaq was still very young and only played 4 years in Orlando ... even then he at least got them to the finals at a very young age.

    the fact is that Shaq pretty much single handedly won those 3 finals and his numbers prove it. of course Kobe helped, but he was nothing more than just a "sidekick" who rode Shaq's coattails to success. AT THE TIME, Kobe was basically "Scottie Pippen" to Shaq. Kobe has a LOT to prove in the rest of his career. He is already 0 for 1 in the finals without Shaq there to hold his hand every step of the way. if Kobe goes 0 for 2, then I think its safe to say that even most Kobe homers will start to admit the truth.
    Shaq went 0-1 in his first finals of his career, so did Lebron. Kobe went 0-1 last year. Kobe wins this year and he doesn't have to prove much. Thats the truth

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    Miami didn't win

    Oh Ghazi.... you're right Dallas beat Miami in 2006

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    this forum will be an interesting place regardless of what happens.
    agreed!

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    Shaq went 0-1 in his first finals of his career, so did Lebron. Kobe went 0-1 last year. Kobe wins this year and he doesn't have to prove much. Thats the truth
    0-2

    Kobe was the #1 option, and Shaq was #2 in 2004.

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    Kobe was the #1 option, and Shaq was #2 in 2004.
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    It was Shaqs team

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