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my 2 cents. Kobe showed that he can get to the finals atleast twice without a Hall of Famer next to him. Yes, he hasnt won anything..but i think that shows alot.
They could win without each other. Kobe would need Gasol while Shaq would need Wade. You need that second go-to guy.
my 2 cents. Kobe showed that he can get to the finals atleast twice without a Hall of Famer next to him. Yes, he hasnt won anything..but i think that shows alot.
Wrong. In 2004, that's when Kobe was crying and whining about sacrificing his game while Shaq comes to camp out of shape.
In 2004, for the first time in the NBA Finals, the Lakers ran the offense through Kobe, and it failed horribly.
During the championship 3-peat, Shaq always took the most shots.
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Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Derek Fisher, etc
one of the top 2 most stacked teams in the league. As soon as the Pau Gasol trade was made, everyone and their grandmother knew the Lakers were going to the Finals and winning it all.
Lakers got there, but failed.
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Kobe shouldn't feel bad, he is almost as good as Clyde Drexler. Thats pretty good.
yah..having Wade was horrible. LOL =P
EXACTLY!
KObe has 2 All Stars in Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol. OF course he should reach the finals. Give Wade those players and Im sure they'll win it all last year.
Wrong bro, shaq was out of shape in 03. We lost to Spurs that year.
Shaq took the most shots because he had Rik Smits, Motumbo, and Whoever the Nets hard guarding him. I want to say Todd McCoullough.
No where near the defensive stalwarts of The Wallace Boys in 04...
It was still Shaqs team. I think he would admit that
Lamar Odom= 0 Allstar appearances. Nuff said.
In order to be considered an All-Star you have to play like an All-Star when it counts. You can't honestly say that they did that, can you?
I must be too pessimistic because I never thought we were a lock to win the Finals. Especially considering we didn't have homecourt and seeing how they dominated the regular season matchup.
Lamar Odom is not an all star. Never has been and never will be. He plays about two games a year where he puts up 25 and 12 and everyone thinks he's amazing. The man is the most consistently inconsistent player ever. A nice third or forth option but not an all star by any means.
First of all, you act like Derek Fisher is good... and obviously you didn't watch the NBA last year otherwise you would've noticed Bynum wasn't even playing.
Nope. You can also add T-Mac tot he list. None of those players could facilitate the triangle or play defense like Kobe. Nor could they close games likes Kobe. Would have lost to Portland. Would have lost to SA. Would have lost to Sacramento.
Now let's flip that around. Switch Shaq for Duncan/KG and does Kobe still win 3?
Shaq would have won without Kobe in 01. 15-1 in the playoffs that year.
And LOL about Shaq struggling in 04 Finals. He didn't average 35ppg, but he still commanded double teams throughout, shot a high percentage, and scored like 28ppg or something to that effect.
I doubt it. After all the Sacramento series was eventually decided by Horry.
Pippen was still available back then, who knew the triangle better than anybody and could play defense just as good as Kobe, if not better.
The Kobe circa year 2000 was not the same complete player of today. (and this is a big credit to Kobe, who worked into being a more complete player)
You most definitely could have replaced him with a handful of guys.
Not with KG. Duncan, very likely. But we're talking about two irreplaceable bigs that have dominated this league for the past 10 or so years.
LOL that post is so simple yet so correct.
This my friends is 100% spot on. That's why the Lakers lost that series cause Kobe was the number 1 option. I recall watching those games and Shaq was shooting something like 65% and was wondering why the is Shaq not getting the ball? He is pretty much scoring whenever he gets the ball, but there is Kobe jacking up jump shots and missing them all.
THAT IS a big reason why people don't like Kobe. He was selfish and still is. he's not a natural passer like Lebron who is looking to get him teammates involved. The only reason Kobe is trying to pass the ball now is because he realizes he can't win with him going one on one all the time otherwise he would probably still be trying to go one on one.
If it was Shaq's team why was Kobe jacking up jumper after jumper while O'neal was shooting over 60% for the series???
Wow you're spot on again man. Someone was actually watching that series properly.
Like I said in my previous post I'm pretty sure I saw a stat put up in one of the Detroit games where Shaq was shooting over 60% for the series and was wondering why he is not getting the ball every time down the court.
I agree With Tim yes, KG no way.
Tim and Shaq are the best two players of this generation. They were the two best low post players in the NBA and could also dominate defensively. Tim was a lot more consistent on the defensive end though, but Shaq was pretty good when he tried his ass off on D. KG has no post game and wasn't as good as Tim or even Shaq at their best defensively. KG is a better defender now than he was back then.
At the time the Lakers won those championships there was NO ACTIVE PLAYER you could have replaced Kobe with and guaranteed 3 straight championships. None.
No D-Wade, no Lebron, Vince Carter...are you ing kidding me?, T-Whack...give me a ing break this guy has been a career LOSER his entire life. Nobody.
Shaq and Kobe were irreplaceable at the time.
That sums up everything! Good work!
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Kobe played like during the 2004 finals but it's not like he was the only reason LA lost. Karl Malone's injury forced them to start a useless that's not even D-league material. It also didn't help Gary Payton and George couldn't hit water if they were shooting from a boat.
Kobe shouldn't get all the blame for Shaq not getting more touches. Payton was a disaster running the triangle and George was just a disaster period.
Sshhh Kobe haters don't like reality.
Having Malone on the floor would have helped immensely as it would have given the Lakers a legitimate threat at the PF spot. The triangle spacing was quite awful in that series and as a result the Pistons were able to load up on Kobe and Shaq.
Wrong. Not this year. And not his rookie year.Thats funnycuz, Shaq has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league!
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