the Gasol trade.

[lefty]

Maybe memphis just wanted nothing.

Is Seinfeld their GM?

[cobbler]

The funny thing about all this is that if they would have entertained other trade offers with other teams there is no way it would have ever looked "LEGIT". Can you imagine the better offers they could have gotten for Gasol? They would have looked like clowns taking Lakers scrubs and crapola.

They had to do this hush-hush and under the table.

It wasn't hush hush at all. Gasol was on the trade block for months. Half the season ticket holders were demanding he be traded. The grizz followed the trailblazers process and decided to go for prospects, draft picks, and the largest expiring contract. They achieved all thier goals and are poised to build a decent team with a core of young good players.

I love how everyone talks about how soft Gasol is. How he cost the lakers the le last year. How he never won a playoff game in Memphis... and now that the Lakers are on the verge of winning it all... the tune changes, the whiney es come out of the woodwork and start repeating 2 year old BS claims that have yet to be proven. Get over it and admire the ....



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[JamStone]

Thank you for admitting that in all of your multi-paragraph response you are simply blowing hot air out your ass.

And you still haven't answered the question of WHY the ownership would allow such a trade to go through. You think West and Wallace did this behind the back of the owners? If there was a concerted effort of collusion here then the OWNERS of the Memphis Grizzlies would HAVE to be involved.

At the end of the day this trade was nothing more than a salary dump. This isn't the first or last of its kind. The only reason it has warranted special attention is because it benefited the Lakers whom everyone hates with a violent passion.

/thread

I never once claimed there was hard evidence for collusion. I even made a post last night that said there was nothing technically wrong with the trade in terms of violating the CBA. All of this "conjecture" and yes it is conjecture is opinion, just like the majority of posts, including yours, on this public message board.

As for the ownership agreeing to the trade, they are ownership. I don't even know who the Grizzlies owners are. But, chances are they aren't basketball people. They hire people to make the basketball decisions. There are very few owners like Mark Cuban that get actively involved in the actual basketball decisions. Chris Wallace could just as easily told the owners it's best to deal Gasol and overhyped how good Marc Gasol and Javaris Crittenton. Who knows what happened?

The salary dump could have netted a better deal. That's the point. You haven't offered any evidence that Memphis actually fielded offers from other clubs at the same time early in January/February 2008. And, just as posted above, there have been reports by NBA GMs that Memphis didn't even make it known that Gasol was available at the time he was traded.

You want to claim that people are blowing hot air, so are you. You haven't offered any proof to show that Memphis made Gasol available to other teams at the time they traded him, that they actually fielded offers from other teams other than the Lakers. That's why there's conjecture of a shady deal and collusion. You're a diehard follower of Laker propaganda. It's your blind faith. And, the earth is flat.

[JamStone]

ALL HEARSAY

Give me proof, otherwise STFU.

Proof that there were actual talks with other clubs other than the Lakers in January/February of 2008 with respect to trading Gasol?

[JamStone]

It wasn't hush hush at all. Gasol was on the trade block for months. Half the season ticket holders were demanding he be traded. The grizz followed the trailblazers process and decided to go for prospects, draft picks, and the largest expiring contract. They achieved all thier goals and are poised to build a decent team with a core of young good players.

ALL HEARSAY

Give me proof, otherwise STFU.

[cobbler]

From the owner... not 2nd hand

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” Heisley confessed. “Maybe our people should’ve shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would’ve gotten more, done a better deal. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don’t think he did, but maybe he should’ve…”

more implys some shopping was done

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

[Jacko]

Who cares?

What's done is done. You people sound like my ing annoying ass cousin who is always crying about what could have or should have been.

[Jacko]

From the owner... not 2nd hand

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” Heisley confessed. “Maybe our people should’ve shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would’ve gotten more, done a better deal. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don’t think he did, but maybe he should’ve…”

more implys some shopping was done

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

There you have it.

Other teams were contacted about Gasol. Nobody wanted to give up anything good so they went for a salary dump. The Lakers were one of the few times with a big enough expiring and draft picks and they landed Gasol. This ain't rocket science.

Oh, and most importantly. JERRY WEST AINT GOT TO DO WITH THIS.

[JamStone]

All that implies is that the owner didn't know what happened.

[DrHouse]

I find it funny that a Piston fan who claims to also be a Laker fan cares this much about the Gasol trade.

Somebody is lying

[underdawg]

All that implies is that the owner didn't know what happened.

I'm sure that other teams were reluctant to trade nothing for Gasol - just another example of the genius of the Lakers front office. They truly found a diamond in the rough in Gasol.

[JamStone]

I find it funny that a Piston fan who claims to also be a Laker fan cares this much about the Gasol trade.

Somebody is lying

I find it funny that you infer I care so much about the Gasol trade simply from me responding to the topic on a messageboard. The first time I posted in this thread was to correct you. You didn't even respond to that because you knew my correction of you trying to compare the Gasol trade to the Rasheed trade was right on point. After that, I responded to your post responding to mine. I've offered my opinion. You can infer what you want from that.

This would be akin to me saying I find it funny for a Laker fan to obsess so much about posting on a Spurs messageboard, has nervous breakdowns on a Spurs messageboard, posts repeated threads on the same topic just to talk smack to Spurs fans on a Spurs messageboard, and gets pissy angry when someone disagrees with his opinion.

By the way, this same Laker fan a few weeks ago was a Pistons fan cheerleader when that Pistons fan spoke on behalf of the Lakers in a discussion. Didn't you say some like, "Wow JamStone is shutting down?" That was you who was my cheerleader. Right, DrHouse? I'm too lazy to go find the post. Maybe you'll have enough time to delete or edit it.


EDIT: Nvm, I found it rather quickly.

Damn Jamstone laying down the law.

Excellent analysis

I might be a Pistons fan and the Lakers are my second favorite team, but I'm pretty objective. I try to be pretty consistent with that. I blast the Pistons when they're bad and when they up. I'm still a Pistons fan. And, I'll call it how I see it.


When you're proven wrong or stupid (which happens frequently enough), just like you were with the Rasheed trade comparison, you don't even respond and you try to flip the discussion. A better policy would be for you to admit your idiocy, then shut up.

[MiamiHeat]

How about that ty cheap trick the Lakers pulled in the Gasol trade?

Using a retired player's contract to make the salaries match.

[Def Rowe]

How about that ty cheap trick the Lakers pulled in the Gasol trade?

Using a retired player's contract to make the salaries match.

Man, why you so mad at the Lakers all the time. They traded you Shaq in his prime and then took Brian Grant's contract off your books. Then in Miami. Jeez.

[spurscenter]

So was it collusion when Detroit got Rasheed Wallace for:

Zeljko Rebraca, Bob Sura and a future first round pick

or when the Warriors snagged Baron Davis for:

Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis

You all act like lopsided trades have never happened before. The truth of the matter is they do happen quite a bit in the NBA every other year or so. Basketball is as much about winning as it is about money, probably more about money IMHO. Teams make personnel decisions all the time that have little to do with winning.

so this makes the Gasol trade ok?


Baron was injury prone and no one wanted him

[cobbler]

How about that ty cheap trick the Lakers pulled in the Gasol trade?

Using a retired player's contract to make the salaries match.

Its been done numerous times by many teams in trades over the years. No revelation here. Just sour grapes.

[cobbler]

[DrHouse]

What about Caron Butler for Kwame Brown? Where was the outrage then?

[Allanon]

ROFL... you cannot.... be.... serious. I hope, for your sake, that this is sarcasm.

Yes...I....AM....serious. We've gone over this like a thousand times already; you must be new ROFL.

The Lakers were ALREADY contenders WITHOUT Pau Gasol and the Lakers would have added Marc Gasol this year. Prior to the Gasol trade, the Lakers had already been a number 1 seed in the West. Ask your fellow Spurfan here (in the NBA section), most know that the Lakers had the #1 West seed even before Pau ever put on a Laker jersey.

Kobe, Lakers looking like serious contenders
by Sam Smith
Thursday, January 3, 2008

But the only thing really hot now is the Lakers, who have surprisingly emerged as a legitimate championship contender with a big front line and, of course, the irrepressible Bryant.

And now the Lakers, despite being the third-youngest team in the NBA, were competing with everyone in the conference.

They beat the Suns twice, split with the Spurs and Jazz, blew out the Nuggets. And they had the weapon no one really did in Bryant. There's nothing like the great finisher, especially in the playoffs, when the game slows some and the scores are lower. None of the contenders has a better one than Bryant.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yes...I....AM....serious. We've gone over this like a thousand times already; you must be new ROFL.

The Lakers were ALREADY contenders WITHOUT Pau Gasol and the Lakers would have added Marc Gasol this year. Prior to the Gasol trade, the Lakers had already been a number 1 seed in the West.

[spursfan1000]

As much assness that trade was, get over it.

[Cry Havoc]

Yes...I....AM....serious. We've gone over this like a thousand times already; you must be new ROFL.

The Lakers were ALREADY contenders WITHOUT Pau Gasol and the Lakers would have added Marc Gasol this year. Prior to the Gasol trade, the Lakers had already been a number 1 seed in the West. Ask your fellow Spurfan here (in the NBA section), most know that the Lakers had the #1 West seed even before Pau ever put on a Laker jersey.

This is ridiculous.

Without Gasol, you guys lose in the 2nd round to Houston.

[cobbler]

This is ridiculous.

Without Gasol, you guys lose in the 2nd round to Houston.

About as ridiculous as if someone said... you lose Yao and you take the Lakers to 7 games.

You have no clue what would happen. None of us do.

[NBAfan83]

I think people are seriously underating Gasols role in the lakers reaching the finals twice and winning one.

That being said, trades been done, and this kind of trade will probably happen a lot more often as more and more owners become cheaper and cheaper, and tbh with loyal enough fan bases in most teams, their not afraid of rebuilding and getting younger.

All the teams are eventually going to trade their big stars for scrubs in one time or another, this is just LA's time, i'm sure the spurs will get a steal of their own in due time, maybe not now, but in 5 years time, they might trade 3 second round picks for dwight howard, who knows?

[Allanon]

This is ridiculous.

Without Gasol, you guys lose in the 2nd round to Houston.

Marc Gasol ain't no slouch and who knows how much Bynum would have developed without Pau taking shots and minutes. Marc's a much tougher defender than Pau and the Lakers may have ditched their "soft" label.

But we'll never know, what might have been cuz it didn't happen. We do know, the pre-Pau trade Lakers were considered serious contenders.