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You should probably explain your assumptions then... especially if the difference could go either way.
You really think of Ginobili as "middle tier"? No wonder you want to trade his ass.
You should probably explain your assumptions then... especially if the difference could go either way.
exactly
No actually...he is not thinking with logic.
Let's see...the Spurs had the 2nd best record in the league most of the year. They won 54 games and won the toughest division in basketball!! Hmmm....
The year before they made it to WCF and won 56 games!! I could see if the Spurs had mediocre records for the last two seasons....then you make an argument somewhat!!!
The key is health and when they are healthy...the Spurs are still one of 5 best teams in the league.
Furthermore....Manu creates a dynamic that makes the Spurs a championship caliber ball club. There are very few players who have that quality (Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen, and now Kobe, Pau, and Odom) and Manu creates that dynamic with Tim and Tony.
It seems some Spurs fans forget that....those facts. Not emotion or sentiment or wishful thinking.
To trade for a young player like Nick Young....who hasn't even smelt the playoffs and has never made big shots when it counted or got a key steal or block or dominate a quarter and go toe to toe with Kobe or Wade or Lebron in a game. (Manu has done all of those things) And getting the number 5 pick....is no guarantee either.
It is absolutely mind-boggling and utterly ridiculous for the Spurs to make that trade and for some Spurs fans who are ready discard Manu...I just shake my head in total disbelief!!
Unbelievable!!!!!
Middle tier shooting guards....what planet are you on?????
Outside of Kobe and Wade.....Manu is one of the best shooting guards in the league.
When healthy (that's your only argument)......he gives the Spurs a dynamic to be a championship caliber ballclub!! There are very few players in the league like that.
How do you know....he isn't going to come back. That's pure spectulation on your part!!!
Sheesh!!!!
Regarding the bolded part, you should watch more NBA. More teams, more players from past and recent years. None of the Big 3 are in the middle tier of anything lol. Not in the playoffs.
I don't mean to say he was just average.
I'm just saying he's not even with Kobe and Wade.
Ok...I can accept that!
But, outside of Kobe and Wade...those are the only 2 shooting guards I would take over Manu!
His energy, compe iveness, balls, and desire are unmatched except Kobe. Even Kobe has acknowledge that publicly!!
No way....Manu stays!!!
What do you think of my hypotheticals involving a trade to LA that nets Odom, Vujacic, and a pick. Deal addresses two significant needs for the Spurs. Are you making it?
If Manu gets healthy like I think he will that would be crazy for now anyways. Can you imagine Manu teaming up with Kobe and them having two of the most compe ive guys in the league and the Lakers adding another closer to play for them.What do you think of my hypotheticals involving a trade to LA that nets Odom, Vujacic, and a pick. Deal addresses two significant needs for the Spurs. Are you making it?
I think you do make it.
A closing game lineup of: Ginobili, Bryant, Ariza, Gasol and Bynum? How do you beat that?
Who is going to play 2 guard for us? Sasha or Mason, neither of which can create their own shot?
Odom is our third option.
Mason gets to do what he does best: Play off the main guys, make the open jumpers and occasionally get hot and score 15-20.
Good luck with that...
Just like in the series with Dallas? That worked out real well...
I honestly believe Manu is done and he will never be the player he once was. The guys ankles are ed up and usually players don't comeback from those type of injuries a hundred percent. Manu without his mobility is not a game changer. This is probably the best the spurs can get for him so they need to do it. I don't believe in this 2010 crap that the spurs will get some bigtime FA like Lebron,Wade,Bosh, etc. Realistically they will get some very good role players, a borderline all-star player but nothing more.
From a fracture? I gather you're not a doctor?
are you?
I loved Manu when he was healthy in his prime but those days are gone. I just don't see him comming back to what he once was. He's officialy injury prone the guy has been out the last 2 years with some major injuries. We keep on playing this damn card every year that if the spurs had a healthy Manu things would have been different. I just don't believe in playing this card over and over again. Historically there hasn't been many guards who put up great numbers after the age of 32 and I don't think Manu is going to be any different. I rather have 2 young players who can contribute instead of having to rely on one guy who is consistently hurt. Manu's body is beyond repair the guy has had to many hits on it to play a full 82 games without getting some sort of injury.
I'd like to see more opinions about the fact Manu makes tons of money for the franchise. This is probably one of the reasons the FO has trouble with the idea of letting him go. In today's sport when you get a player and you are going to pay him a big salary you are also thinking not just how this player is going to get you a ring but how much money are you going to make to offset the investment and to make money on top of it. They are all investments. We also need to include this in the discussion for it to have any sense at all.
So you guys are thinking we are going to get this all-star shooting guard back when Manu returns.
Is that correct?
We need to trade some fans.
Well your sure not going to get an AS either if you trade him now since his trade value is low. Washington has better offers than Manu.So you guys are thinking we are going to get this all-star shooting guard back when Manu returns.
Is that correct?
Personally, not necessarily All-Star... I'll settle for a healthy 6th man of the year.
I can't find any data showing that an ankle impingement or ankle fracture leads to an injury-plagued career in a majority of cases.
Looking at data on MCL/ACL tears (generally, much more severe), 80% of players finish their careers and stay at 80% of their previous level if they do. Another serious procedure, microfracture surgery, also has an 80% return rate and players on average lose 0-2 off their PER.
What is the reasoning on taking on young players again? I'd love to see data that shows any reason to assume ginobili is finished. I'd like to see data that even shows it as a serious possibility.
Both the impingement and stress fracture are both minor injuries. Manu didn't tear his ACL or break his leg in half.
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