Ginobili .....Hall of Fame anybody?

[baseline bum]

Unfortunately I do not believe Ginobili will end up getting in. Let's throw Finals MVP out of the equation because that's HIGHLY unlikely playing alongside Parker and Duncan. If it's any close the award goes to them first.

Now on the other hand if the Spurs were able to win 2 more les? It's still borderline because his career numbers just don't size up. The original post was that he will play 6 more years? I'd love to see it but I'm looking more along the lines of 3/4 more GREAT seasons. He's already 31 and consistently breaking down - obviously his aggressive playing style contributes to that.

Career wise he's a 15 points per game, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists player. Post season performances make you legendary but ask Horry, Fisher or Kukoc how that equals in HOF talk.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

Lists him at a 0.056 chance and that ranks 29th in current players.

Ginobili would be a lock for the Hall even if he never played a second in the NBA. He'd be a lock for the hall if he averaged 6 ppg in the NBA and played half a season. I don't like the super stringent requirements for American players vs. International guys in the HOF, but it is what it is. Him leading Argentina to the gold is one of the great upsets in basketball history.

[NewcastleKEG]

Why? It's not the NBA Hall of Fame, it's the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Because the elite players play in the NBA not overseas. Too many great players aren't in the HOF for example Bernard King

Bernard King (F, New Jersey Nets, Utah Jazz, Golden State Warriors, New York Knicks, Washington Bullets, 1977-93)
In his 14-year NBA career, King was a four-time All-Star. In his first season, with the Nets, he was Rookie of the Year, and he led the league in scoring in 1984-85 with 32.9 ppg, and scored 19,655 points during his career, averaging 22.5 points per game.

Is it really fair to penalize King because he played in the NBA his entire career and was the #1 option on teams that weren't quite good enough to win les?

[Austin_Toros]

Hall of Fame? Please, Let's not go nuts!

[Bukefal]

I dont think he should nor will be in there

[VivaPopovich]

i'd like to see him help the spurs win a few more rings before we crown him into the NBA HOF

i hope he mixes his game up so he doesnt fall on the floor 2-3 times a game. i think thats the primary reason why he missed so many games. as reselient as his body was all those years it finally started to take its toll. jordan eventually became primarily a jump shooter, i'd like to see manu take the same rout

[Muser]

It's hard to argue with his awards.

[PM5K]

How often does this same thread get posted, what, every four days?

[exstatic]

Your right but have these international careers ever helped put a HOF career over the top?

Are you even remotely familiar with the basketball HOF? Put him over the top? There are players in the HOF who ONLY have European careers and never played a minute in the NBA because either the NBA was too ignorant at the time, or their governments wouldn't allow it.

The best hybrid career template for Manu to get in

Drazen Petrovic - Croatia

* Silver Medal in 1988 (Yugsolavia) and 1992 (Croatia) Olympic Games
* Gold Medal in World Championships with National Team, 1990
* Named Sportsman of the Year in his native Croatia, 1985, 1986, 1988
* All-NBA Third-Team, 1993

290 NBA games 4461 points 15.4 ppg

Manu Ginobili - Argentina

* Gold Medal in 2004 (Argentina) and Bronze in 2008 (Argentina) Olympic Games
* Silver Medal in World Championships with National Team, 2002
* Only player ever to win a Euroleague le, an NBA championship, and an Olympic gold medal.
* All-NBA Third-Team, 2008

478 NBA games 7044 points 14.7 ppg

[MmP]

I just can't believe how people can be so fool.
If Manu doesn't go in the HOF with those awards I really don't know who the should be in instead of him...

He was named (i think last year) one of the 20 most influential players in the history of the FIBA. That's telling you something. Add 3 rings there and he's in.

[DPG21920]

It is because people are arguing out of ignorance. They do not understand how the HOF works.

That is why you see so many topics and ideas repeated on ST. I swear, someone will post a thread or a trade and after 5 minutes the same trade or thread will be started

Or the same conversation will be repeated for 10 pages in a thread.

Just understand that like it or not, international play gets "their own vote" to a certain degree and even though there are some great NBA players not in the HOF, that has nothing to do with the other guys getting in.

[FromWayDowntown]

Your right but have these international careers ever helped put a HOF career over the top? Were about to see an influx of this kind of situation come up but I honestly don't think Ginobili is gonna get in unless the Spurs win ATLEAST 1 more le. Say what you want but he has had major stretches of being a 6th man. They don't get into HOF's.....

The jury isn't out on him yet but at this moment he won't get in.

Have you read anything about how the Hall of Fame voting takes place? I'd strongly -- STRONGLY -- recommend you to that before you weigh in on the likelihood of Manu's enshrinement.

I posted a brief synopsis of it earlier, but you have to remember that Manu's credentials are going to be considered by a committee that ONLY considers international (non-North American male) players. That committee will undoubtedly nominate Ginobili unanimously for enshrinement. And when the larger committee (the Honors committee) considers his international accomplishments along with his NBA accomplishments, I frankly don't see how Ginobili gets excluded.

If the Basketball Hall of Fame enshrinement process was a matter of media votes, or if the nominees all came from a common pool, I doubt that Ginobili would even have a chance. But that's NOT the process. And because of the process being what it is, Manu's a mortal lock.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Now that he is a lock for the HOF, they should trade him.

[romain.star]

Awards

Italian League All-Star: 1999, 2000, 2001
Italian League Most Improved Player: 2000, 2001, 2002
Euroleague Final Four Most Valuable Player: 2001
FIBA Americas Championship Most Valuable Player: 2001
Italian Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship: 2002, 2006
Ideal Olympics Team: 2004
Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player: 2004
Olimpia de Oro: 2003, 2004 (shared with Carlos Tévez)
NBA All-Star: 2005
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors: 2008
NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award: 2008
All-NBA Third Team: 2008

les
Italian League Championship: 2001
Italian Cup: 2001, 2002
Euroleague: 2001
Triple Crown: 2001
Americas Championship: 2001
NBA Championship: 2003, 2005, 2007
Summer Olympic Games gold medal: 2004
Summer Olympic Games bronze medal: 2008

He's only been in the NBA for 7 years with at least 5 good years left if healthy. I say at least one more championship and a Finals MVP and I Think he will definatelly get inducted. But thats just me. .......
Thoughts?

How is that possible???????

[Mel_13]

How is that possible???????

It's not. Those lists are copied and pasted from Manu's Wikipedia entry. He actually won two Italian League MVPs as well the Italian Cup and Euroleague honors contained on the Wiki list.

[ducks]

Why? It's not the NBA Hall of Fame, it's the Basketball Hall of Fame.

they should be a nba hall of fame

[sonic21]

There are several committees that submit nominees to a greater committee, which ultimately votes. Among the committees is the international committee, which can put up as many as 2 nominees every year among those who are not covered by the North American committee, the Women's committee, and the veteran's committee.

thanks

[spursfan98]

Manu in the hall? lmao you guys are a bunch of homers.
Why don't we throw in Bruce Bowen and Fab too! And Pau Gasol must be a lock as well!

[kace]

my god, i can't even remember how many times this same thread has been started. amazing.

[DPG21920]

my god, i can't even remember how many times this same thread has been started. amazing.

Manu in the hall? lmao you guys are a bunch of homers.
Why don't we throw in Bruce Bowen and Fab too! And Pau Gasol must be a lock as well!

and how many times statements like this have to be refuted. I am a patient dude, so I do not mind it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu is easily a HOFer, there's no argument..it's the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame..a lot of people still seem to be unaware of what this means..

[baseline bum]

Manu in the hall? lmao you guys are a bunch of homers.
Why don't we throw in Bruce Bowen and Fab too! And Pau Gasol must be a lock as well!

Gasol might get in too with the silver he won last year. Manu is a 100% lock.

[DPG21920]

This will easily go 2 more pages with the same things having to be repeated.

[spursfan98]

both manu and gasol need much more accomplishments. Spurs have 2 HOF. Robinson and Gervin, both were 100 % lock. I do not think it is fair to them at all to say ginobili is a lock. There is no comparison between D-Rob, Ice, and manu.

[sam1617]

My god people... Do you not read any of the posts, or are you all goldfish with 5 second memories...

It is the Basketball Hall of Fame. Note the lack of NBA in front of that. They let international players in based off their international careers. They let women in based off their careers. They let NBA players in off their careers. They even let commissioners and coaches and other people that have provided solid contributions to the game.

Manu IS a hall of famer, not because of his NBA career, but because of his international career. He won and was the MVP on a gold medal team, MVP on a Euroleague champion team, and NBA champion team all in like 2 years... He is the single greatest international ballplayer in the last 10 years probably. That is what gets him in the hall of fame.

[Muser]

both manu and gasol need much more accomplishments. Spurs have 2 HOF. Robinson and Gervin, both were 100 % lock. I do not think it is fair to them at all to say ginobili is a lock. There is no comparison between D-Rob, Ice, and manu.

No, Manu has more international awards.