Ginobili .....Hall of Fame anybody?

[DPG21920]

both manu and gasol need much more accomplishments. Spurs have 2 HOF. Robinson and Gervin, both were 100 % lock. I do not think it is fair to them at all to say ginobili is a lock. There is no comparison between D-Rob, Ice, and manu.

If I was to tell you that there was a separate international basketball HOF, would you say Manu gets in?

[Matches Malone]

both manu and gasol need much more accomplishments. Spurs have 2 HOF. Robinson and Gervin, both were 100 % lock. I do not think it is fair to them at all to say ginobili is a lock. There is no comparison between D-Rob, Ice, and manu.

I dont think he should nor will be in there

Hall of Fame? Please, Let's not go nuts!

No doubt but on the flip side without him being a 6th man and winning les with the Spurs (I say with because he's obviously the 3rd Beatle on this team) then there wouldn't even be an discussion. Ginobili on another organization doesn't get a serious sniff at the HOF.

Just like the 90's Bulls who only got 2 players in the HOF off those rosters, sadly I think the mid-late 2000's.....the Spurs will only get Duncan and Parker in. Duncan, Parker and David Robinson. Ginobili = Sean Elliott is a rather good one. While Ginobili is more explosive and has had better ups, Sean was also more consistent. It's not fair to the rest of the NBA to give Ginobili TOO much of an edge with his international numbers.

my god, i can't even remember how many times this same thread has been started. amazing.

You guys are just amazing.
You really don't mind appearing as a laughing stock?

[spursfan98]

You guys are just amazing.
You really don't mind appearing as a laughing stock?

Calm down Manu fan, we all know you are a manu fan and not a spurs fan. And you call yourself a spurs fan because you are a manu fan

[howbouthemspurs]

Manu in the hall? lmao you guys are a bunch of homers.
Why don't we throw in Bruce Bowen and Fab too! And Pau Gasol must be a lock as well!

With all of his accomplishments do you really believe that all he was, and will always be a dud? Hes done more for the game overseas than most people in the nba. He is already a legend. It is only a matter of time when gets in the HOF.

[spursfan98]

With all of his accomplishments do you really believe that all he was, and will always be a dud? Hes done more for the game overseas than most people in the nba. He is already a legend. It is only a matter of time when gets in the HOF.

I never said he was a dud. I LOVE MANU, he is a great player when healthy, but there is a huge difference between a solid player and a hall of famer. If you stuck him on the USA team do you think he would be the MVP of the USA team? I guess we should consider Luis Scola a possible Hall of Famer too

[kace]

and how many times statements like this have to be refuted. I am a patient dude, so I do not mind it.

well, as long as there are some members willing to take part of this topic, that's OK, that's the point of a forum.

but, manu in the HOF has been discussed and discussed again and again. it's masturbation now.

and, the fact that anyone with half a brain should understand HE IS of course a (well-deserved IMO) lock for the HOF is another argument to stop this endless thread.

[DPG21920]

I never said he was a dud. I LOVE MANU, he is a great player when healthy, but there is a huge difference between a solid player and a hall of famer. If you stuck him on the USA team do you think he would be the MVP of the USA team? I guess we should consider Luis Scola a possible Hall of Famer too

You never answered my question. If I told you there was a separate HOF for just international players, would Manu make it?

[DPG21920]

well, as long as there are some members willing to take part of this topic, that's OK, that's the point of a forum.

but, manu in the HOF has been discussed and discussed again and again. it's masturbation now.

and, the fact that anyone with half a brain should understand HE IS of course a (well-deserved IMO) lock for the HOF is another argument to stop this endless thread.

I agree. But if some people do not understand, or are new and want to learn, I do not mind helping out. But I agree that this should be done by now.

We knew it would not be though

[spursfan98]

You never answered my question. If I told you there was a separate HOF for just international players, would Manu make it?

Just for international players? Yes. But so would Luis Scola, Fabricio Oberto, Walter Herrmann, Marc Gasol, and Ricky Rubio

[DPG21920]

Just for international players? Yes. But so would Luis Scola, Fabricio Oberto, Walter Herrmann, Marc Gasol, and Ricky Rubio

No, because none of them have the accolades the Manu has.

But I am glad you answered yes, because in the basketball HOF we are discussing in this thread, there is essentially an international portion that has nothing to do with the NBA.

So if you say Manu would get into a strictly international HOF, then you have to see that he will get into the basketball HOF because there is no difference in the two, like it or not. The international players get nominated irregardless of their NBA work and there is no differentiation in the NBA HOF players enshrined and the International players. It is just one HOF, with multiple nomination committees.

[spursfan98]

But if there was a HOF for international players it would consist of dirk, manu, scola, gasol, parker, and more.. like i said, if you stuck manu on team usa he wouldn't have any of the accolades bc all the players on team usa are better and half of them will go to the hall

[Matches Malone]

Calm down Manu fan, we all know you are a manu fan and not a spurs fan. And you call yourself a spurs fan because you are a manu fan

I'm not going to comment on my "years of lurking ST" or "being a fan since the Admiral was drafted". I don't need to prove you anything. Manu fan, yes sure. As well as Timmy's, Tony's, Bruce's, Jax's, Sean's, David's, Malik's.

On the other hand, you (as well as others) have just proved that a fan that doesn't believe, neither want, nor vouch for a player (of his/her team) with unquestionable record to (at least) be included in HOF talks, is not really a fan. As a Spurs fan, I would like (even if it's not possible) that every single one of the Spurs players that have a shot at being HOF'rs, will behave a fair chance to be considered.

You guys a the living proof that the worst hater, is the one that lies inside the Spurs-fan ranks.

[DPG21920]

But if there was a HOF for international players it would consist of dirk, manu, scola, gasol, parker, and more.. like i said, if you stuck manu on team usa he wouldn't have any of the accolades bc all the players on team usa are better and half of them will go to the hall

That does not matter, that is not how the HOF works like it or not. The fact of the matter is Manu's international career will get him into the HOF because there is a separate vote for those type of players, but only 1 HOF.

You are getting caught up in who is better and not how it actually works. It might not make sense that a someone with a great international career like Gino will get in over someone that had a great NBA career, but that is how it works with the "world basketball HOF".

[ffadicted]

Manu: 2005 Finals MVP

you forgot one lol

[spursfan98]

That does not matter, that is not how the HOF works like it or not. The fact of the matter is Manu's international career will get him into the HOF because there is a separate vote for those type of players, but only 1 HOF.

You are getting caught up in who is better and not how it actually works. It might not make sense that a someone with a great international career like Gino will get in over someone that had a great NBA career, but that is how it works with the "world basketball HOF".

True, but HOF committee voters are tough voters, and if you look at the first ballot year by year, each one is very obvious, i just can not see him on a first ballot.

[ambchang]

But if there was a HOF for international players it would consist of dirk, manu, scola, gasol, parker, and more.. like i said, if you stuck manu on team usa he wouldn't have any of the accolades bc all the players on team usa are better and half of them will go to the hall

It seems that you are not familiar with the accomplishments of Manu vs. the other players you mentioned.

On an international stage, Manu dwarfs the accomplishments of all those you listed combined.

Dirk will make the HoF due to his accomplishments in the NBA, not because of his international play (although that would help). Scola didn't accomplish half of what Manu did internationally. Gasol, if he ever makes it, would be because of his role on the Spanish team. Parker is a long way from making it.

Please look up what Manu did before going on.

[DPG21920]

True, but HOF committee voters are tough voters, and if you look at the first ballot year by year, each one is very obvious, i just can not see him on a first ballot.

Yes you can, look at some of the people in there (coaches, college players, international players..). Many have shown comparable HOF's already in and Manu has a better resume.

[temujin]

But if there was a HOF for international players it would consist of dirk, manu, scola, gasol, parker, and more.. like i said, if you stuck manu on team usa he wouldn't have any of the accolades bc all the players on team usa are better and half of them will go to the hall

Most of the players in team USA 08 were not even basketball players in a team sense of the word.
Just one-on-one freaks with some serious problems in the avoid-the-travelling fundamentals.

Ginobili is a totally different class.

[temujin]

I agree with some people above.
Mr. Ginobili will be in the NBA HOF, the International HOF, the Euroleague HOF, and, in fact, in the team sports HOF, as one of the greatest and most entertaining winners of all time.

One of the two players that won NBA les, Olimpics and Euroleague les.
Not even worth discussing.

[FromWayDowntown]

n/m

[FromWayDowntown]

Calm down Manu fan, we all know you are a manu fan and not a spurs fan. And you call yourself a spurs fan because you are a manu fan

Can one be a Manu fan and a Spurs fan? I've followed the basketball team that plays in San Antonio since my childhood in the late 70's, but I also am a fan of Manu Ginobili. Is that an unresolvable paradox? Do I have to choose one or the other?

I'm in a pretty serious panic here.

[Tully365]

He was the best player on an Argentine Olympic team that whupped a team of USA All-stars.... hard to argue with that. Hopefully he'll be enshrined beside Artis "The A Train" Gilmore...

[Tully365]

In the words of Kobe Bryant:

That's a bad boy right there... I just respect his game so much.

[exstatic]

Manu is a shoo in based SOLELY on his Euroleague and FIBA accomplishments. Debating his NBA credentials is foolishness, because he won't be nominated by the North American committee, he'll be nominated by the international committee. His NBA numbers and accomplishments are purely icing on the cake.

[DPG21920]

Manu is a shoo in based SOLELY on his Euroleague and FIBA accomplishments. Debating his NBA credentials is foolishness, because he won't be nominated by the North American committee, he'll be nominated by the international committee. His NBA numbers and accomplishments are purely icing on the cake.

Bull crap. Ginobili, lololololol