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  1. #76
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    ok then
    2009 mavs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1994 cavs
    And how does that have any signficance?

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    The only reason he has won those rings was because he got MASSIVE support. He had one of the greatest Centers in history by his side in 99 and 03, Had 3 allstars in 05 and and in 07.

    Championship wise (media wise) Duncan would be considered one of the top 10 of all time only because of his rings and he was the best player on the team when they won those rings. Obviously no credit is given to teammates.

    Statistical wise Tim Duncan is nothing but a Soft Kevin Garnet TYpe....

    Discuss.....

    Basketball is a team game.

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    No but this goes back to my argument why Tim Duncan is overrated. If he was as good as he is rated he would at least get them to the second round..... Even without their 2nd best player. Like I said Pippen did it in 94 without #1 greatest player and Magic Johnson did it in 91
    Reasons as to why a team doesn't advance in the playoffs counts for more than just player 1 and 2. According to this logic, Pierce>Duncan because he made it further without KG, even though they played a sad Chicago team.

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    Basketball is a team game.
    Yes it is, which is why RIngs and MVPS shouldnt be a factor in determining the GOAT..........

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    Why are you all taking the bait? Just stop posting in here and let the thread die.

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    I didnt say he blows statistical wise. Reread the post. Im just saying you cant use Fundamental ball as an excuse to back up greatness.
    Then what the are you attempting to say, man? What is your argument? If you think Tim has good fundamentals and you don't think his stats are bad, then what are you trying to accomplish? And what players are you really trying to compare him to? Were you initially just intending give your opinion that Tim is overrated? That's alot of posting back to other spurs-talkers in order to get your specific opinion across. Way too much energy wasted for that, IMO.

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    And how does that have any signficance?
    the 94 bulls would get swept by the 2009 mavs, and the 2009 duncan-less could beat the 1994 cavs

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    Yes it is, which is why RIngs and MVPS shouldnt be a factor in determining the GOAT..........
    Leadership and ability to make the overall team better, which makes the GOAT, leads to rings and MVPs.

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    Why are you all taking the bait? Just stop posting in here and let the thread die.
    because i want to raise my post count.

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    because i want to raise my post count.

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    No but this goes back to my argument why Tim Duncan is overrated. If he was as good as he is rated he would at least get them to the second round..... Even without their 2nd best player. Like I said Pippen did it in 94 without #1 greatest player and Magic Johnson did it in 91
    No matter where Tim Duncan is ranked, he's still greater than Garnett.

    In '91, Magic did have a fellow top 50 player next to him (Worthy). Vlade Divac was a nice, young piece people overlook. Perkins was a nice pick-up.

    '94 Bulls? That's an example of how great a coach Phil Jackson is.

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    Reasons as to why a team doesn't advance in the playoffs counts for more than just player 1 and 2. According to this logic, Pierce>Duncan because he made it further without KG, even though they played a sad Chicago team.
    Im just saying TD has too much of a stacked roster and that stacked roster is making him this great. If TD Was really THAT GREAT he would have done more with less like other players...

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    Im just saying TD has too much of a stacked roster and that stacked roster is making him this great. If TD Was really THAT GREAT he would have done more with less like other players...
    This year's roster wasn't stacked for . Outside the 3, they barely had anything.

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    the 94 bulls would get swept by the 2009 mavs, and the 2009 duncan-less could beat the 1994 cavs
    And what makes you think Dallas would sweep the 94 Bulls.

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    This year's roster wasn't stacked for . Outside the 3, they barely had anything.
    Those big 3 are enough.... Just like how Pippen was enough for Jordan and like Kobe was enough for Shaq....

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    Those big 3 are enough....
    It was two for the playoffs, and one of them coming off tendenosis. Is that enough?

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    It was two for the playoffs, and one of them coming off tendenosis. Is that enough?
    Duncan should have won more than 1 game........... I mean he is a top 5 of all time according to most of you posters...

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    Duncan should have won more than 1 game........... I mean he is a top 5 of all time according to most of you posters...
    Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs in 2005. Is he near the bottom of your list? happens.

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    Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs in 2005. Is he near the bottom of your list? happens.
    Ha Ha Put Duncan in place of Kobe in 05 and see what happens.....

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    Those big 3 are enough.... Just like how Pippen was enough for Jordan and like Kobe was enough for Shaq....
    To deny the superiority of the (Lakers/Bulls) championship squads bench whithin those years vs. the Spurs bench this year is laughable and offensive to those champ teams. So you're saying with our shallow secondary (and no Ginobili) and two major players from the teams of those eras would have advanced? Did you watch our bench this year (sans Manu)? Or any of our starters outside of Tim and Tony? Tim is our rock, Tim is the reason San Antonio has championships. A whole lot of dominant players at his position in this league never get to experience winning on the level he has perpetuated every year that he has been in. Bud, come off it. Tim Duncan is the best power forward in the modern era and IMO to ever play the game.

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    Ha Ha Put Duncan in place of Kobe in 05 and see what happens.....
    Hypothetical, try again.

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    Ha Ha Put Duncan in place of Kobe in 05 and see what happens.....
    Put Kobe in place of Duncan in 2009 and the Spurs get destroyed either way.
    Duncan gets the credit he deserves and in no way is he extremely overrated. Duncan>>>>>KG. If KG had anything on Duncan, he would have done more than just reach the WCF before he had to get traded to a team with Pierce, Rondo, and Allen in order to do something.

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    Put Kobe in place of Duncan in 2009 and the Spurs get destroyed either way.
    Duncan gets the credit he deserves and in no way is he extremely overrated. Duncan>>>>>KG.
    This year he cleaned K.G.'s clock on stats, averaged more points, rebounds, assists and blocks.

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    Yes it is, which is why RIngs and MVPS shouldnt be a factor in determining the GOAT..........
    It shouldn't be the only factor, but of course winning must be part of the equation. You think it's more legitimate to hand out huge legacy points for losing? Then you should be arguing Jerry West or Elgin Baylor for top honors, as nobody lost more finals than they did. And yes, both had nice statistics to go along with their losing.

    Basketball is a team game, but it's obvious certain individuals (a few per era) have tremendous effects and influence on the bigger picture.

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