To Peter Burns

[coyotes_geek]

I'm just making the point, I think the Spurs would be smart and take all factors into consideration (Including Ticket Sales/Merch...etc) before jumping at overpaying.

If Manu if offered an extension worth more than $8m a year going forward then that means we won the 2010 NBA Championship because he was healthy as !

Can you imagine this year if they are all healthy and a big man comes in to play a Nazr, Rasho role.

Before this trade. I would have put Spurs at 10-1 to win it all next year. With this trade, it's closer to 4-1. Once they find a solid big man to round out the rotation, it think it will move closer to 5-2. With Lakers being 3/2 assuming no big moves.

The Spurs can't extend Manu in 2010 because he'll be a free agent. If they want to extend him it has to be done before October 31st, 2009. I doubt the Spurs want to have to bid on the open market for a healthy Manu, so I think they're going to try and give him that extension this year. One that is structured with limited guarantees based on how many games he plays in.

[rogcl1]

I think you're right. Plus, you have to believe that the best time to get a "good deal" on Manu is now if you are the Spurs.

At the very least if they don't extend him, Manu, like any player going into a "contract year", will have added incentive to play at the highest level (e.g., Odom and Ariza this past season). That will only bode well for the Spurs during the 2009-10 season.

No , Manu is not like any other player. This being a contract year has no bearing on how Manu will perform. The fire in Manu burns 100% every time he steps on the court. It is always full speed ahead. The Spurs will always get his best regardless of contract situation or whatever. Manu is one special player and anyone who doesn't recognize that is lost.Unless he is crippled , he will be back.

[PeterBurns]

Good question. My only issue would be is that the Spurs system is tough enough to work one new impact guy in a key role, much less 2 impact guys.

The Spurs "car" is not broken and needing an overhaul, just a tune-up.
I would like to see Brandon Bass as a Spur, if nothing more than just to piss Cuban off more.

RC should screw with Cuban even if not interested in Bass, float the idea that he's thinking about signing Bass to a deal worth $1.5, Cuban doesn't want Spurs to have him, overpays for Bass, and RC just snickers and goes..."Gotcha Mark"

[coyotes_geek]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm

7.6million according to hoopshype. His contract was front-ended.

Hoopshype isn't reliable. Shamsports is better. Camby's salary for next year is $9.65.

[PeterBurns]

Good points by all.
Coyote Geek, I forgot about the timing of an extension and I'm glad you brought that up.

[MaNu4Tres]

Good question. My only issue would be is that the Spurs system is tough enough to work one new impact guy in a key role, much less 2 impact guys.

The Spurs "car" is not broken and needing an overhaul, just a tune-up.
I would like to see Brandon Bass as a Spur, if nothing more than just to piss Cuban off more.

RC should screw with Cuban even if not interested in Bass, float the idea that he's thinking about signing Bass to a deal worth $1.5, Cuban doesn't want Spurs to have him, overpays for Bass, and RC just snickers and goes..."Gotcha Mark"

I wouldn't mind Bass either, but Cuban has made it apparent that he's willing to spend this off-season. The most Spurs could offer is the MLE and I'm sure the Mavs ( in spending mode according to Cuban) would counter and match that offer to bring Bass back. A lot of fans want McDyess, I agree with what you said about McDyess Burns. McDyess stated he did not want to move his family from Detroit and even told Pop and R.C no thank-you whenever the Nuggets bought him out. That said McDyess has a less than 5 percent chance to come to San Antonio. IMO

[SenorSpur]

Good question. My only issue would be is that the Spurs system is tough enough to work one new impact guy in a key role, much less 2 impact guys.

The Spurs "car" is not broken and needing an overhaul, just a tune-up.
I would like to see Brandon Bass as a Spur, if nothing more than just to piss Cuban off more.

RC should screw with Cuban even if not interested in Bass, float the idea that he's thinking about signing Bass to a deal worth $1.5, Cuban doesn't want Spurs to have him, overpays for Bass, and RC just snickers and goes..."Gotcha Mark"

Excellent idea. I love it. Cuban is a smart businessman, but he's such a compe ive jerk and an emotional nimrod that he would bite immediately. I just know that he's probably pissing in his pants at the thought of the Spurs getting RJ. He'll make a counter move soon.

[JudynTX]

Ah the magical healing powers of Luis Scola makes Manu more valueable to the tune of an extra $4 mil a year.

Uh oh you said the L word.

[MaNu4Tres]

Good points by all.
Coyote Geek, I forgot about the timing of an extension and I'm glad you brought that up.

I didn't mean to sound rude and point out anything Burns. No hard feelings,love the show continue the good work. I listen to you and Andy weekly and I live in Houston. I just wanted to try to make you realize the trade for Jefferson doesn't mean Manu's money is gone that's all.

[Big P]

All those that believe the Spurs are willing to pay $24m over 2 years to a guy that will be 35 when the season starts, had problems on both ankles, and only play 72% of the games the last 2 years....please shoot me an email.

I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to offer you.

Where did you come up with the $12 mil #? He is going to make less than he is making now, so his contract would likely start at $7-8 mil per year? After watching RC's video yesterday, he made it sound like Manu will retire a Spur.

[coyotes_geek]

Meh. I'd rather see the Spurs just go out and get the PF/C they need (which Bass isn't) and then what the Mavs do or don't do is irrelevant.

[to21]

Neaux Tigers!!!

CWS Game 3:
Texas- 6 LSU- 3

[coyotes_geek]

Uh oh you said the L word.

I left the creedo back at "that other place".

[PeterBurns]

Manu4tres, thanks for the listening to the show, and you are always welcome to call in. Good stuff you countered with today, and it brings up some points that are good fodder for debate.

Good to know we were live and local this morning, while national shows glossed over the news, and talked about Manny in the Minors and Red Sox/Yanks baseball.

[to21]

Good question. My only issue would be is that the Spurs system is tough enough to work one new impact guy in a key role, much less 2 impact guys.

The Spurs "car" is not broken and needing an overhaul, just a tune-up.
I would like to see Brandon Bass as a Spur, if nothing more than just to piss Cuban off more.

RC should screw with Cuban even if not interested in Bass, float the idea that he's thinking about signing Bass to a deal worth $1.5, Cuban doesn't want Spurs to have him, overpays for Bass, and RC just snickers and goes..."Gotcha Mark"

I've always liked Bass, he's a beast.

[JudynTX]

I left the creedo back at "that other place".

Good times back then.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hoopshype isn't reliable. Shamsports is better. Camby's salary for next year is $9.65.

If Shamsports is right, then you could offer Mason + Bonner + Marcus Williams for Camby and then the Spurs would still have the MLE to go after a bigman( like Sheed, Zaza,Gortat). Or you could go after a lesser quality big man for part of the MLE and go after a two guard like Dahntay Jones, Rashad McCants for the other part of the MLE if Finley were to decline his option.

[DPG21920]

I just assumed it was a "typo" and that I knew that PB meant extension even though he was saying 2010

By the way PB, my name starts with a J, so if we did a spin off, it could be the PB&J show.

Then this could be the intro (remixed though):

[DPG21920]

If Shamsports is right, then you could offer Mason + Bonner + Marcus Williams for Camby and then the Spurs would still have the MLE to go after a bigman( like Sheed, Zaza,Gortat) and or a two guard (if Finley declines his option).

But why would they take that offer? Camby is expiring and so are those other guys. So they gain nothing there.

They really are not getting talent back that matches Camby, so they lose there.

Unless somehow they think that Mason is enough at the SG to add depth vs losing the depth at C.

[coyotes_geek]

If Shamsports is right, then you could offer Mason + Bonner + Marcus Williams for Camby and then the Spurs would still have the MLE to go after a bigman( like Sheed, Zaza,Gortat). Or you could go after a lesser quality big man for part of the MLE and go after a two guard like Dahntay Jones, Rashad McCants for the other part of the MLE if Finley were to decline his option.

They could offer, but I doubt the Clippers would bite. They can get better value than that.

[MaNu4Tres]

But why would they take that offer? Camby is expiring and so are those other guys. So they gain nothing there.

They really are not getting talent back that matches Camby, so they lose there.

Unless somehow they think that Mason is enough at the SG to add depth vs losing the depth at C.

Clippers were willing to trade Camby for Mike Miller straight up(Miller has an expiring contract). Clippers first offered the Twolves Kaman for Miller and Twolves were more than willing to get the trade done. When that happened Clippers countered with Camby instead and the Twolves then turned their attention to the Wizards deal. That being said, Clippers need two guard help and Mason would provide that and help Eric Gordon out at the two spot. Mason had a better year last year than Miller and they both have expiring contracts. It was also stated by Ric Bucher that Camby was close to being traded to the Thunder for nothing a week ago.

All that being considered, I believe Mason+ Bonner + Marcus Williams could bring Camby to SA. IMO

[coyotes_geek]

Good times back then.

Mostly good.

I'll confess that with the big trade going down yesterday I went to check out SR for the first time in months and discovered that I've been given the stealth ban treatment.

[JudynTX]

Mostly good.

I'll confess that with the big trade going down yesterday I went to check out SR for the first time in months and discovered that I've been given the stealth ban treatment.

PMGing you

[samikeyp]

Mostly good.

I'll confess that with the big trade going down yesterday I went to check out SR for the first time in months and discovered that I've been given the stealth ban treatment.

Sounds about right. You are better off here.

[coyotes_geek]

Sounds about right. You are better off here.

Agreed.