-Injured Shaq
-Slow Shaq
-38 year old Shaq
-Clogs the lane more (and we know how much your #1 guy likes the lane)
-Another go-to guy with poor Free throws
-Ego problems
-Wont play back to back
-Will crap on your coach if he dont get his way
-Less touches from the best player
Thos are ALL RISK. Yes Ben Wallace might not get you 18ppg, but Cavs got to the ECF with him. IMO, Shaq has more cons then pros, just ask the Suns.
The problem is your identifying what people are saying. Even realistic Cavs fans probably aren't going to say Shaq is the "answer to their problems."
The discussion many of us are having is whether the Cavs trading for Shaq was a risk or not. For what they gave up and since his contract is expiring, Shaq was not a risk for the Cavs.
typical insecure lakers fans. no surpises here. just posting the insecurities they are supposed to post.
To get him, traded:
Ben Wallace
Sasha Pavlovic
#45 pick
$500,000
If he doesn't work out, $20 million coming off the books.
No risk.
alright, so the Cavs need him to play back to backs?
did his poor free throw shooting hurt him with the Heat or Lakers?
Shaq slower than Ben Wallace?
I could see if the Cavs gave up West or something, THEY GAVE THEM BEN WALLACE! 2009 Ben Wallace. The guy that doesn't even know if he wants to still play Ben Wallace.
if Shaq sits out the whole regular season..the Cavs still win 55 games- right or wrong?
If having a 4 for 4 history of bad chemistry isn't a risk, I don't know what is.
Cavs are only going down with this trade. Bad trade in my book, but we'll find out in June.
Once again, Risk involves negatives too Jams.
Its like saying you're gonna replace an old manager with a new one because the new one gets more sales but without checking his history, his personality, how well he works with others. Will he be stepping on older employees? Will he talk about you, his boss? Will he work well with the startegy your business has. Is it worth the risk?
The other risk is making Bron unhappy and seeing him walk next season.
If Shaq is anything like his last seasons in Miami or LA, then he CAN make a team implode. At that point, how do you retain Bron?
Fine you guys win. No risk..since there is no risk and Shaq fails, its ok for James to become a free agent and leave the Cavs. No risk.
Same thing was said when Shaq arrived in Phoenix. You know how that story ends.
Thats the risk that people seem to forget in here. Everyone is like..no risk, if it fails, Shaq 20 millions leaves the books, they only gave up crap players...but i think they forgot about Lebron leaving if it fails.
the Cavs want Bosh, this is to hold them over in the meantime. This move has no implications on Lebron and 2010 other than showing they will spend money. They could lose 50 games next year, sign Bosh in 2010 and all is well.
If they lose next year without Shaq, this is still a possibility. With their team constructed as of last year, they couldn't get out of the Eastern Conference. Try again.
Provided Bron still has any faith on his FO having the capacity to put him on a winning situation. I think every season that ends in a letdown pushes him more out of Cleveland.
Yup, you and Nono brought up the risk or LeBron walking if this fails miserably. This is a bandage move. This isn't a move for the long term success of the Cavs.
If it works out, great. But if it doesn't work out, in 2010 Cavs would be back with LeBron and NoPlayoffs Williams as the two best players.
If it fails miserably, LeBron has no reason to stay on a rebuilding team.
he would have to leave for greener pastures, and if the Cavs sign Bosh, they have a better situation for him than anywhere expect maybe Portland.
And you can bet Shaq is going to start pushing for an extension as soon as he ties up 2 good games in a row... he's become too predictable...
Bosh, Lebron and who else? Mo Williams and Delonte West?
You can bet NY will be offering him a max contract, Bosh, and a couple more All-Stars... When the Bron sweepstakes begin it's all out.
Who said they wont make a move. This is about putting all your eggs on Shaq. Dont tell me there isnt any other moves to make out there, if there isnt, its time to get a new GM?
If you have Shaq playing High/Low with James...James better make that shot.
considering they would only have money for 2 stars I can't imagine it would be better than what the Cavs have. Cavs can offer 1 max deal, Knicks can offer 2. You fail again
KG made it out of the first round once in 12 seasons. Was it a risk for the Celtics to trade for him, especially giving up a 20/10 young talent like Al Jefferson? Would you focus on the risks of the Celtics acquiring KG? Or how about Gasol never winning a playoff game in 6 seasons. Was that a risk?
Like sales, pro sports is a bottom line business. If the new manager increases sales, corporate won't care about his personality or him talking . If Shaq were to help Cleveland win a le (not saying he will), Cavs ownership and their fans won't care if he ends up being a team killer.
There are potential negatives. Of course things could not work out. That's where Shaq's contract being an expiring one offsets any of those negatives. If it doesn't work, he comes off the books after the year.
This is a fair point. But, only if you could foreseeably and reasonably prove that if they don't make the trade that LeBron stays anyway. So if the Cavs stood pat, is LeBron not also unhappy if they don't win and still walks next season? The trade is an effort to try to not allow that happen. In Shaq's first seasons with LA and Miami, Shaq didn't make the teams implode.
If the Cavs don't make the trade, LeBron can still become a free agent and leave the Cavs. That's not a risk the Shaq trade brought. It was there already.
You want a compromise? Fine. There are negatives to adding Shaq that you can call "risks" in terms of possible bad chemistry and Shaq's personality killing a team. Those are low risks because of what the Cavs had to do to make the trade happen. They didn't give up anything of value to get Shaq. And, if it doesn't work out and those negatives things do happen, Shaq's deal is expiring. Change "no risk" to "very low risk." Now, if you still don't agree with that, there's no arguing with you.
Until he re-signs, there will always be a risk that LeBron leaves Cleveland. You can mitigate that risk as best you can, but it's going to be there until he signs on the line which is dotted.
Depends on what you're looking for. It's hard to find a serious post presence, while only giving up Ben Wallace and Sasha P. for him. Not to mention Shaq is coming off a really good year.
Are you saying this is the only move the Cavs will make this off season? Where did you get this info from?
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