Confederate flag

[word]

Civil War fascinates me. 600,000 dead when our nation was just under 35 million.

wow But I understand the feelings of true southerners about the civil war. ( I don't consider Texas truely southern nor did Texas bear much of the brunt from that war. In fact, the only battle the union lost was in Texas ) but the Union absolutely ravaged the south, burned it down, terrorized it and treated it like for many years after. In some ways, still does. I fully understand their anger and disdain for 'yankees' to this day.

[manufan10]

[jcrod]

It doesn't matter. At this point it has become stigmatized, much like the swastika.

The problem I have with it is historical. It is a flag of a one-time enemy combatant. I would have the same problem with someone flying the Japanese Battle Flag.

You see this is my point also.

You really can't separate it from white power or racism, even if you're not flying it for that reason. Which for me is still hard to believe, since about half of them are young. You put yourself in that category even if you're not, so if you really are not racist, you shouldn't fly it.

[word]

Thats the final naval flag. Add a red stripe verticle down the right side and you've got the final confederate flag.

I'm interested what book you got this information. No doubt from our fine public schools.

[Bender]

Flag stands for states rights and limited federal government just as much as it stands for slavery and all that bull .

it's pretty much all about states' rights, and separateness from the Fed gov't.

I don't have a confed. flag. I think I have an old lynyrd skynyrd t-shirt though, that might have a partial flag on it.

[word]

You see this is my point also.

You really can't separate it from white power or racism, even if you're not flying it for that reason. Which for me is still hard to believe, since about half of them are young. You put yourself in that category even if you're not, so if you really are not racist, you shouldn't fly it.

This is if you believe the civil war was all about slavery, which there is plenty of argument that it was not, since Lincoln himself was not an abolishionist till forced to be during the primaries of 1864. Not everyone buys into the civil war being 'all about' slavery.

[jcrod]

the modified golf carts are new

back in my day, people drove big ass trucks with all sorts of flags (racist and otherwise) on them.

must be the high price of gas

Oh those were around also. The golf carts were mostly in the RV park, which they would drive to the beach also. I guess they use them to drive around the RV park instead of walking or driving their truck. Freaking amazing how much money they put in those damn things.

[z0sa]

90% of people wouldn't recognize the Confederate Flag if they saw it and would probably mistake it for Cuba. What people associate now with the 'confederate flag' is the 'stars and bars' or the battle flag, which is not the confederate flag.

This,is the confederate flag:

I knew this was coming

The fact people use the war flag emboldens its nature, if you ask me.

[word]

I did not.

I grant that history is not an exact science, but at least we can all agree that we should be able to get the easy stuff.

Like Mexicans talking about how they've been repressed by Europeans, it's a little more complex than that one liner. It must be terrible to live in the skin of both the oppressed AND the oppressor. How do you choose sides, man ?

When you fill out the census I suppose....

[jcrod]

This is if you believe the civil war was all about slavery, which there is plenty of argument that it was not, since Lincoln himself was not an abolishionist till forced to be during the primaries of 1864. Not everyone buys into the civil war being 'all about' slavery.

That's beside the point, everyone knows the war was not all about keeping their slaves. But you can't separate it from racism, since its now mostly used by KKK, White supremacist, etc..

[DarkReign]

This is if you believe the civil war was all about slavery, which there is plenty of argument that it was not, since Lincoln himself was not an abolishionist till forced to be during the primaries of 1864. Not everyone buys into the civil war being 'all about' slavery.

Come one now, youre springing on a technicality, nothing more.

The Civil War was about the spread of slavery to the Missouri Territory. Fed said "No, slavery stays where it is currently." Southern States said "Bull , its up to the state to decide to have it or not."

In the end, it was about slavery as a state right.

Stop lawyering it up.

[jcrod]

Civil War fascinates me. 600,000 dead when our nation was just under 35 million.

wow But I understand the feelings of true southerners about the civil war. ( I don't consider Texas truely southern nor did Texas bear much of the brunt from that war. In fact, the only battle the union lost was in Texas ) but the Union absolutely ravaged the south, burned it down, terrorized it and treated it like for many years after. In some ways, still does. I fully understand their anger and disdain for 'yankees' to this day.

Sure i can understand their anger, if it was 100 yrs ago. Not now. Freaking war was over 150 yrs ago. No one flying that flag has any ties to it.

[samikeyp]

It wasn't all about slavery, but slavery was an issue.

This might help on the flag questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_o...d_Banner.22.29

[word]

lawyering it up....

lol ....

[DarkReign]

lawyering it up....

lol ....

LOL...youre a lawyer arent you?

[word]

If you said that to me in person I'd beat your face in. I am a retired pilot. Well really not retired, I got sick, and am no longer medically qualified.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Maybe you weren't looking. I was by section 37, you?

I was actually out closer to Mustang Island Park than Port A.

[Wild Cobra]

It doesn't matter. At this point it has become stigmatized, much like the swastika.

Yep, by pundits with a political agenda, and a willing media that reports their thoughts without opposing opinion.

I'd also wager that most people who fly these kind of flags are pretty racist as well.

Drinking from the fountain of Kool-aid the liberals have I see. Which of the four types of lemmings are you?

I see the various forms of the Confederate Flag a symbol of states rights. Anything else read into it is just a persons own personification of it. It is understandable to wave it for the fourth, over the current flag, for the reason that states rights took a second seat to national rights when the south lost.

The Confederate Flag in my opinion is the true symbol of freedom, as it stands for all the cons ution. Not the cons ution -1 amendment.

[word]

The truth lies somewhere in between, Cobra.

[samikeyp]

Yep, by pundits with a political agenda, and a willing media that reports their thoughts without opposing opinion.

Drinking from the fountain of Kool-aid the liberals have I see. Which of the four types of lemmings are you?

I see the various forms of the Confederate Flag a symbol of states rights. Anything else read into it is just a persons own personification of it. It is understandable to wave it for the fourth, over the current flag, for the reason that states rights took a second seat to national rights when the south lost.

The Confederate Flag in my opinion is the true symbol of freedom, as it stands for all the cons ution. Not the cons ution -1 amendment.

That, I disagree with. IMO, an American should fly the US Flag on the the fourth and only the US flag. The great thing about living in the US however, is that if someone chooses to fly a CSA flag on the 4th, they have that right.

[Cane]

Yep, by pundits with a political agenda, and a willing media that reports their thoughts without opposing opinion.

Drinking from the fountain of Kool-aid the liberals have I see. Which of the four types of lemmings are you?

I see the various forms of the Confederate Flag a symbol of states rights. Anything else read into it is just a persons own personification of it. It is understandable to wave it for the fourth, over the current flag, for the reason that states rights took a second seat to national rights when the south lost.

The Confederate Flag in my opinion is the true symbol of freedom, as it stands for all the cons ution. Not the cons ution -1 amendment.

You must be one of the biggest idiots on this board. I have no probs with the first amendment but you're really nothing more than a troll and a lemming yourself.

[Das Texan]

This is if you believe the civil war was all about slavery, which there is plenty of argument that it was not, since Lincoln himself was not an abolishionist till forced to be during the primaries of 1864. Not everyone buys into the civil war being 'all about' slavery.

if it wasnt for the slave issue, the civil war doesnt happen in the 1860s. Slavery was THE issue already for some 40 years before the war between states.

everything else was just some ideas tied to slavery.


States rights was directly tied to slavery itself, slave owners in the South wanted to be able to take their slaves with them wherever they went like we would an auto today, without worrying about people in the North taking their personal property at will.

[Das Texan]

I'll say it now, I worded poorly the second part about some ideas being tied to slavery.


So dont go quoting it and going all ape on me now.

[word]

What's tragic, is the actual history of the civil war is lost in this modern 'fight'. I'm a big reader and I have two subjects that I read a lot about; Russian history and the US civil war. ( btw, as a side note..the Russians...crazier than house rats. )

One of my favorite books about the civil war is the 'Civil War Diary's' which is nothing more than a compilation of letters from soldiers.

I can only say this:

WE are such incredible pussies it's not even funny. It's embarrassing. But, on the other hand, it's encouraging to read what a human being is capable of withstanding.

[MANGINA]

I don't like the rebel flag and stay clear of establishments that fly it.