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    I don't think I've even seen one that does, but if I did, curiousity would get the best of me. I'd have to stop.

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    Besides, that area of Texas can be considered part of the South anyway.


    I mean generally anything east of Dallas and straight down you can argue is South.


    Then I dont know what the Dallas is, cause it isnt part of the West. Oh I'm sure its part of the South also, I think cotton was grown in that area largely in the 19th century.

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    That, I disagree with. IMO, an American should fly the US Flag on the the fourth and only the US flag. The great thing about living in the US however, is that if someone chooses to fly a CSA flag on the 4th, they have that right.
    Correct me if I'm wrong. I said it was understandable, didn't I?

    Am I wrong? Did I say it way right?

    What are you reading into my words?

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    if it wasnt for the slave issue, the civil war doesnt happen in the 1860s. Slavery was THE issue already for some 40 years before the war between states.

    everything else was just some ideas tied to slavery.


    States rights was directly tied to slavery itself, slave owners in the South wanted to be able to take their slaves with them wherever they went like we would an auto today, without worrying about people in the North taking their personal property at will.
    Yet, when Lincoln abolished slavery, he only did so in the south, a 'territory' which he did not control, and allowed the northern slave states to engage in ....

    slavery.

    How do you get past that ?

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    the part that bugs me is that in public school teaching (ie PC) the Civil War was ONLY about the goody good north against the bad and evil south (slave owners).

    It was more than that.

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    the part that bugs me is that in public school teaching (ie PC) the Civil War was ONLY about the goody good north against the bad and evil south (slave owners).

    It was more than that.
    Don't you love activism in education?

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    I think for a lot of ppl it's more of a southern pride thing being proud of where you're from but it's still offensive as and there are still many racist rednecks who also fly it making it hard to discern between the two

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    Yet, when Lincoln abolished slavery, he only did so in the south, a 'territory' which he did not control, and allowed the northern slave states to engage in ....

    slavery.

    How do you get past that ?
    Well considering the Civil War had already begun.....


    And I was talking about slavery being the root cause for why the Civil War happened in the 1860s...


    I really dont see how this applies to anything. But ok.


    Good job in reading comprehension though.

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    i think for a lot of ppl it's more of a southern pride thing being proud of where you're from but it's still offensive as and there are still many racist rednecks who also fly it making it hard to discern between the two
    +1

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    Correct me if I'm wrong. I said it was understandable, didn't I?

    Am I wrong? Did I say it way right?

    What are you reading into my words?
    I read your words for exactly what they were. I didn't say you were right or wrong and I didn't say you said either one.

    I was only voicing my opinion, as were you, on a part of something you said. Period.

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    the part that bugs me is that in public school teaching (ie PC) the Civil War was ONLY about the goody good north against the bad and evil south (slave owners).

    It was more than that.
    One of countless reasons to not put your kid in public education. My son went to private schools from 12 years old on, when the public 'schools' start endoctrinating. Even though his mother and I despise each other, we certainly agreed on keeping him out of the public schools system, and it payed off, big.

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    I think for a lot of ppl it's more of a southern pride thing being proud of where you're from but it's still offensive as and there are still many racist rednecks who also fly it making it hard to discern between the two
    It's all in your head. If you see it as a symbol of slavery, then that's your problem. Please don't push your problems on me. I see a larger problem when someone harasses others for exercising their freedom.

    Who is the patriot?

    The man who flies the flag, or the man who wants to take that right away from him?

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    One of countless reasons to not put your kid in public education. My son went to private schools from 12 years old on, when the public 'schools' start endoctrinating. Even though his mother and I despise each other, we certainly agreed on keeping him out of the public schools system, and it payed off, big.
    That is why we also teach History to our kids since it is amazing all the facts that kids simply don't learn anymore. Even in private schools.

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    I read your words for exactly what they were. I didn't say you were right or wrong and I didn't say you said either one.

    I was only voicing my opinion, as were you, on a part of something you said. Period.
    Yes, we were both voicing our opinion. Sorry about my words the way they were, but I did take it as you saying my opinion wasn't valid. After thinking more about it, I don't think you were. You have my apologies.

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    It's all in your head. If you see it as a symbol of slavery, then that's your problem. Please don't push your problems on me. I see a larger problem when someone harasses others for exercising their freedom.

    Who is the patriot?

    The man who flies the flag, or the man who wants to take that right away from him?
    Except it is a symbol of slavery. The very people who that flag represents fought a bloody war in an attempt to preserve slavery. I'm not saying you shouldn't have the right to fly it, I'm saying that people may look at you as a piece of and rightfully so.

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    It's all in your head. If you see it as a symbol of slavery, then that's your problem. Please don't push your problems on me. I see a larger problem when someone harasses others for exercising their freedom.

    Who is the patriot?

    The man who flies the flag, or the man who wants to take that right away from him?
    I wish it were all just in our heads but the wife and I have learned from personal experience that it isn't always just in our heads. I do not wish to take anyone's rights away at all.

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    Who is the patriot?

    The man who flies the flag, or the man who wants to take that right away from him?
    Is that all it takes to be a patriot?

    Putting a piece of cloth on a stick?

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    I wish it were all just in our heads but the wife and I have learned from personal experience that it isn't always just in our heads. I do not wish to take anyone's rights away at all.
    I know there are people who do use it as a symbol of white pride. I disagree with using it that way, but any symbol can be used in ways others disagree with. Should the fact that some (maybe all) white supremacists use it as a symbol or white superiority, define it for everyone?

    Again, it's in people's own head when they conclude that.

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    Seriously, put a cloth on a stick that says "states' rights" and don't confuse yourselves with racists -- unless of course you are racist. In that case, fly the stars and bars proudly, patriot.

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    Is that all it takes to be a patriot?

    Putting a piece of cloth on a stick?
    Can you stop being a chump for once, and try to understand what I meant?

    If you take two people, as I described, who is the man who believes more in freedom, based on what we know?

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    I have never spent a lot of time the 'country' south. I have been to the urban south which is the same as any urban city much like all suburbs are the same. They look the same, have the same stores, same restaurants...

    What little I've seen of 'country' south, kinda freaked me out.

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    Besides, that area of Texas can be considered part of the South anyway.


    I mean generally anything east of Dallas and straight down you can argue is South.

    Noo..almost...but along the La border in aboot, 100 miles..that's where the south begins. Waxahachie.....is not the south.

    lol ....

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    Can you stop being a chump for once, and try to understand what I meant?

    If you take two people, as I described, who is the man who believes more in freedom, based on what we know?
    I don't believe anyone has stated a desire to take away or ban flags. Patriots are free to question people's intent and draw conclusions based on the pieces of cloth they choose to put on sticks.

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    I don't believe anyone has stated a desire to take away or ban flags. Patriots are free to question people's intent and draw conclusions based on the pieces of cloth they choose to put on sticks.
    Would you agree there are those who want to take away the rights of those who want to flay the confederate flag?

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    I know there are people who do use it as a symbol of white pride. I disagree with using it that way, but any symbol can be used in ways others disagree with. Should the fact that some (maybe all) white supremacists use it as a symbol or white superiority, define it for everyone?
    Tough . It happened with the swastika and burning crosses and hammers and sickles too.

    Is there really no other way to express support of a states' rights doctrine?

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