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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    So you're saying that historical truth is the same as the cultural truth that is portrayed by modern art and pop culture ?

    ( could I hit any more buzzwords if I TRIED...)

    Listen up chumpdumper, you've appropriately named yourself, which is no doubt the only right thing you've ever done.

    Just leave it at that.
    Eh, I really don't know where you're going with this.

    I made a joke about folks who display rebel flags. If you would like me to deconstruct it for you to explain it fully, I guess I could -- but that would be even less funny than the joke was in the first place.

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    Hangout someplace else.
    It's only been a couple times these last several weeks that we have gone to such places. I usually take he places near where I live in SE Portland.

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    I concur and that is why racism will always exist.
    I say racism will always exist as long as the members of a particular race don't police their own actions.

    The Jacksons and Sharptons of this world need to stop blaming the white man, and blame their own people for presenting themselves so poorly to the rest of us.

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    Hey Bruce... Lebron is the Rock Sec24Row7's Avatar
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    Texas is one of the handful of states that its iden y is nearly as strong as it's national iden y. Texas, California, and New York are states that are all their own in many ways. Texas, is unique followed by Cali. NY represents the east...NYC is a world class city.

    addendum: this is what makes Texas unique. It's almost all privately owned. No guvment land, or little, in Texas. That's where the individualism and 'land owner' rights comes from and that is at the core of the differences between capitalsim and sociolism. The means of production. Land. You think the state of Texas owns the water you drink ? Think again my friend. They BUY it and sell it to you through SAWS and BEXARMET. Check out the people that sell water to BEXARMET. It's just a handful of people...

    Oil...pffft...

    WATER is the new oil.
    Water is what Oil wishes it could be... find me an alternative water...

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    Texas is one of the handful of states that its iden y is nearly as strong as it's national iden y. Texas, California, and New York are states that are all their own in many ways. Texas, is unique followed by Cali. NY represents the east...NYC is a world class city.

    addendum: this is what makes Texas unique. It's almost all privately owned. No guvment land, or little, in Texas. That's where the individualism and 'land owner' rights comes from and that is at the core of the differences between capitalsim and sociolism. The means of production. Land. You think the state of Texas owns the water you drink ? Think again my friend. They BUY it and sell it to you through SAWS and BEXARMET. Check out the people that sell water to BEXARMET. It's just a handful of people...

    Oil...pffft...

    WATER is the new oil.
    wake me when a water lease brings in more $$$$ than an oil lease to the landowner.

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    I say racism will always exist as long as the members of a particular race don't police their own actions.

    The Jacksons and Sharptons of this world need to stop blaming the white man, and blame their own people for presenting themselves so poorly to the rest of us.
    Problem solved !!

    But seriously, a lot of people, most people, see through the charlatans and the agent provacateur types. They go along with it if it fits their needs. They may not be able to put it into words, but they know it when they see it.

    This behaviour exists all around. It's a human behavior that hasn't change since the bible or before history was recorded. In politics it's especially noticable. It's human nature. Granted, at it's worse, or...at it's finest. It is a very fine line.

    My biggest dissapointment these days, and what makes me lose faith, is the cult of personality over ideas, experience, common sense.

    Eventually we'll elect a hanna montana president at this rate.

    Miley Cyrus 2012.

    Yeah

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    wake me when a water lease brings in more $$$$ than an oil lease to the landowner.
    get a clue

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    Who is the patriot?

    The man who flies the flag, or the man who wants to take that right away from him?
    I must have missed the post in which someone suggested people no longer be allowed to fly the Confederate flag.

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    Eventually we'll elect a hanna montana president at this rate.

    Miley Cyrus 2012.

    Yeah
    Too bad she wont be old enough then. She would definitely be a better president than the one we have now.

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    I must have missed the post in which someone suggested people no longer be allowed to fly the Confederate flag.
    Call it a preemptive strike. I haven't seen it in this thread either, but I expect it could come. I believe is was in a thread a year of so ago.

    My whole point is that anyone who advocates forcing people not to fly the Confederate Flag, wishes to infringe on their rights, and that is clearly obvious. It is not clear than someone who wishes to fly that flag is a racist.

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    I say racism will always exist as long as the members of a particular race don't police their own actions.

    The Jacksons and Sharptons of this world need to stop blaming the white man, and blame their own people for presenting themselves so poorly to the rest of us.
    That's a great philosophy for a world in which everyone is on an even playing field, however, that simply isn't the way it is.

    Systemic racism and individual prejudice will always exist as long as it remains financially advantageous for one group of people to set themselves apart from a constructed "other."

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    That's a great philosophy for a world in which everyone is on an even playing field, however, that simply isn't the way it is.

    Systemic racism and individual prejudice will always exist as long as it remains financially advantageous for one group of people to set themselves apart from a constructed "other."
    And as long as one race has more than ten times as many who act like animals. people will fear them.

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    And as long as one race has more than ten times as many who act like animals. people will fear them.
    Wow.

    Just... wow.

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    I should have specified criminal activity. The black population does commit far more crimes than whites as a percentage.

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    youre afraid of black people wc?

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    youre afraid of black people wc?
    Generally not. I see situations that I feel could be threatening with people of all races at times. I do feel that way far more often around blacks, but it's all in the way a person carries themselves.

    Here is an interesting read from the Department of Justice:

    Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders

    One graph:


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    They will be very happy to respect Texas' right as a state to make Spanish the official language in a few years.
    It has already started, there is a border town that has mqade spanish its official town language. it's just a matter of time......

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    ok whats the going rate for bonus money on a water lease in a 'hot area'.


    whats the going rate for royalty on a water lease in a 'hot area'.



    i assume water leases use the same basic premises as an oil and gas lease.

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    I should have specified criminal activity. The black population does commit far more crimes than whites as a percentage.
    Generally not. I see situations that I feel could be threatening with people of all races at times. I do feel that way far more often around blacks, but it's all in the way a person carries themselves.

    Here is an interesting read from the Department of Justice:

    Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders

    One graph:

    I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that cultures of color have for generations been intentionally and systemically denied access to jobs and education, right?

    It would be foolish to pretend that the crime rate isn't higher in marginalized neighborhoods or within marginalized communities. However, it's willfully ignorant, and dangerously so, to assume that difference is natural or inherent. It isn't.

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    I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that cultures of color have for generations been intentionally and systemically denied access to jobs and education, right?
    Part of it is, and it's one of those "vicious circles." If poverty were equal among all races, the the crime rates I think would equalize. How do you do that though? People who live a marginal life often don't have the personal motivation to better themselves. Blaming whites for the past is also self defeating. It becomes an excuse for one not to stand on their own two feet.
    It would be foolish to pretend that the crime rate isn't higher in marginalized neighborhoods or within marginalized communities. However, it's willfully ignorant, and dangerously so, to assume that difference is natural or inherent. It isn't.
    I don't assume it's because of race. It just that race and poverty are complementary. To say that people commit more crimes because they are black, and leaving it as that, is about as informed as saying CO2 causes Global Warming, when global warming is the cause if increased CO2 levels. I would say that blacks commit more crimes because of poverty and lack of motivation to accel. Not because they are inherently inferior. However, the fact they commit more crimes makes them appear to be inferior.

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    Exactly. Most people don't even know what the real history behind the swastika is and what it represents. The first thing that comes to mind for most people is ww2 and hitler.
    Yeah, that's pretty sad that a symbol that has been used for thousands of years as a sign of good luck or good will was corrupted by that .

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    Black people are awesome.

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    And as long as one race has more than ten times as many who act like animals. people will fear them.
    You mean like serial killers and child abductors?

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    I say racism will always exist as long as the members of a particular race don't police their own actions.

    The Jacksons and Sharptons of this world need to stop blaming the white man, and blame their own people for presenting themselves so poorly to the rest of us.
    Racism will also always exist because it is TAUGHT everyday.

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    The Gadsden flag is a far more effective symbol than any of the Confederate flags for what the proponents of the latter claim that they want it represent.

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