Andrea Bustnani gets a $10 million a year extension

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It's fair value.

What?

[DPG21920]

Because I can.

Also, for all the mediocre stats you post about Angelina Macaroni, you're ignoring the fact he couldn't stop a cupcake from scoring.

Dirk 98-99: 20.4 min / 41% FG / 21% 3PT / 77% FT / 3.4 Reb / 1 AST / .6 BLK / 8.2 PPG

Barg 06-07: 25 min / 43% FG / 37% 3PT / 82% FT / 3.9 Reb / .8 AST / .8 BLK / 11.6 PPG


Dirk 99-00: 36 min / 46% FG / 38% 3PT / 83% FT / 6.5 Reb / 2.5 AST / .8 BLK / 17.5 PPG

Barg 07-08: 24 min / 39% FG / 35% 3PT / 84% FT / 3.7 Reb / 1.1 AST / .5 BLK / 10.2 PPG


Dirk 00-01: 38 min / 47% FG/ 38% 3PT / 84% FT / 9.2 Reb / 2.1 AST / 1.2 BLK / 22 PPG

Barg 08-09: 31 min / 45% FG / 41% 3PT / 83% FT / 5.3 Reb / 1.2 AST / 1.2 BLK / 15.4 PPG


His numbers (minus the rebounding) compare pretty favorably with Dirk's first three years (with the exception of the drop off year in his second). He has bounced back nicely though this year.

He has the tools to score like Dirk (not quite as good) and he is just as good of a defender (not bad down low, just bad on Pick and Roll which is strange because he is athletic). You could easily call him a poor mans Dirk. Dirk makes 21M and Bargs has proven he is at least half the player Dirk is through his first 3 years, so 10M seems fair.

If Bargs continues to progress he can be damn good overall. He needs to pick up the focus on rebounding and put more effort in defensively (but Dirk never did that until Avery came around). He is going to be a very good scorer no matter what and I would not be surprised to see him hit the 20 PPG mark here soon. It took Dirk until his 3rd year to do so and that was with him playing 38 minutes per game. Dirk did not have to share the ball with Bosh either.

[DPG21920]

They're not a part of this discussion, and that's not really fair to big Al. If he still is lazy on defense after he gets teammates that contribute on offense and create their own shot, then he's officially a bad defender. Until then he's a guy that needs to focus all his energy on offense.

Don't play that bull card. It is an analogy and a fair one at that. Why does Bargs get ripped for defense and not these other guys? They are scorers and so is Bargs.

He is not there for defensive purposes and that would be a bonus if he picks that part of his game up. Not fair to Al? So his defensive effort is predicated on his teammmates? No, you play hard if you are a good defensive player. There are good defensive players that play on bad defensive teams that still play hard there.

If you are going to judge a player, at least judge him in his role. He is a scorer.

[DPG21920]

No matter how you look at it can we at least agree he's not worth close to what he was just extended for?

No. It is not egregious enough to scoff at. It is in the ball park of what is fair imo for a young big with his skill sets coming off of a solid year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Not fair to Al? So his defensive effort is predicated on his teammmates?

My point is we cannot officially declare Al a "bad defender" until his team surrounds him with better offensive players. It's hard to be an active defender when you have to do as much as Al does on offense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

No. It is not egregious enough to scoff at. It is in the ball park of what is fair imo for a young big with his skill sets coming off of a solid year.

More like a solid half-year. Giving a player a 5 year 50 million dollar extension for a solid 40-50 game stretch is stupid. Similar to giving Diaw a 5 year 40 million dollar extension for the one good season he had when his career had been a joke otherwise.

[jacobdrj]

It took me a second to 'get' who you were talking about. When the OP posted 'Andrea Bustnani' he means Andrei B#@%@^&%^gngngni&%*^#^&#@%$^!@^#$ni.

My bad, I am just slow today.

[DPG21920]

More like a solid half-year. Giving a player a 5 year 50 million dollar extension for a solid 40-50 game stretch is stupid. Similar to giving Diaw a 5 year 40 million dollar extension for the one good season he had when his career had been a joke otherwise.

What are you talking about half year? He had one bad month in December, the rest were damn good.

Season Splits by month:

In October: 25 MPG, FG .571, 3PT .500, FT 1.000, REB 5.0, AST 1.0, BLK 2.5, PTS 9.5

In November: 28.6 MPG, FG .449, 3PT .431, FT .900, REB 5.3, AST 1.1, BLK 1.6, PTS 12.4

In December: 24.5 MPG, FG .346, 3PT .273, FT .842, REB 3.4, AST 0.7, BLK 1.1, PTS 8.6

In January: 35.6 MPG, FG .487, 3PT .480, FT .795, REB 6.2, AST 1.3, BLK 0.6, PTS 19.8

In February: 36.8 MPG, FG .412, 3PT .311, FT .810, REB 7.1, AST 1.5, BLK 1.1, PTS 17.9

In March: 33.3 MPG, FG .518, 3PT .519, FT .870, REB, 5.9, AST 1.5, BLK1.3, PTS 20.3

In April: 33.5 MPG, FG .444, 3PT .318, FT .786, REB 3.8, AST 1.5, BLK 2.5, PTS 16.3

Like I said, one bad month really. He had nice spurts of shot blocking and rebounding improvments. He scored very well.

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[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If I'm ever a GM with a 1st overall pick, I'll be really disappointed with myself if those are the numbers that player is putting up in his 3rd season.

[da_suns_fan]

If I'm ever a GM with a 1st overall pick, I'll be really disappointed with myself if those are the numbers that player is putting up in his 3rd season.

It was a pretty crappy draft. The only player to come out of there with any real potential was Brandon Roy (which I CALLED on draft night, btw ).

Its like blaming Jordan for drafting Kwame Brown. Who else should he have taken??? Mike Miller??

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If those numbers are worth ten million a year, then McDyess at the MLE is hugely underpaid.

[Findog]

If I'm ever a GM with a 1st overall pick, I'll be really disappointed with myself if those are the numbers that player is putting up in his 3rd season.

Bargnani is only a bust in the sense that he had no business being a #1 overall pick. I can't believe, what was it, 6 teams passed on Roy? And the team that did pick him immediately shipped him out. It should've been obvious he was the best player in the draft.

The most egregious passes were Charlotte taking Morrison and Atlanta taking Black Shrek.

[DPG21920]

He is not a "traditional #1 pick". No one in that draft was. No one in that draft can be built around to lead a team to les like a Duncan/Shaq/Lebron/Kobe. Not even Roy. You can just hope for a solid player with that pick and hope he is one of the best in the draft in a crap shoot style draft like that.

He is. IMO, he is currently the 4th best player from that draft and could be the second best when it is all said and done. It would take a massive jump in his game to be considered the best over Roy, but I will not rule it out although it seems unlikely.

He is on a team with another dominate big man in Bosh. To be able to put up 15 & 5 with 45% FG, 40% 3PT & 83% FT along with over a block per game is not terrible. He will be up over the 20 PPG mark soon. It took Dirk 3 years to top the 20 PPG mark and Dirk has more talent.

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Its like blaming Jordan for drafting Kwame Brown. Who else should he have taken??? Mike Miller??

That Gasol guy was pretty decent. In fact, I'd bet that everybody in the top several picks of that draft has been better than Kwame.

[Findog]

It was a pretty crappy draft. The only player to come out of there with any real potential was Brandon Roy (which I CALLED on draft night, btw ).

Its like blaming Jordan for drafting Kwame Brown. Who else should he have taken??? Mike Miller??

And I understand why they wanted Bargnani: Colangelo is trying to assemble a UN roster to appeal to the population in Toronto. It's why you see an inordinate # of white guys playing for the Jazz.

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He is not a "traditional #1 pick". No one in that draft was. No one in that draft can be built around to lead a team to les like a Duncan/Shaq/Lebron/Kobe. Not even Roy. You can just hope for a solid player with that pick and hope he is one of the best in the draft in a crap shoot style draft like that.

So paying said player 10 million dollars a year, virtually guaranteeing yourself no chance of retaining Chris Bosh, compounds the problem.

[DPG21920]

WTF does this add to the convo? No one said he is better than Roy. But if Bargs tops 20 PPG, he will certainly be of a lot closer.

[DPG21920]

So paying said player 10 million dollars a year, virtually guaranteeing yourself no chance of retaining Chris Bosh, compounds the problem.

WTF? How does this in any way effect signing Bosh? In fact it helps. Bargs developing is a good piece next to Bosh and the Raps have his Bird Rights so they can offer him more money than anyone, no matter how much they paid Bargnani.

LMAO at McDyess over Bargs. McDyess defense is not that great (I would argue Bargs is a better low post defender), but his perimeter defense is better than Bargs.

Bargs is a MUCH better scorer all around and is younger.

[Findog]

That Gasol guy was pretty decent. In fact, I'd bet that everybody in the top several picks of that draft has been better than Kwame.

All things considered, I'd still take Kwame over Eddie Griffin.

[DPG21920]

That Gasol guy was pretty decent. In fact, I'd bet that everybody in the top several picks of that draft has been better than Kwame.

Ok, but what about the Bargs draft? Who should he have taken? The only two right now you can say for certain are Rondo and Roy. That is not that bad and Bargs still has time to grow into a better player. He has the talent, yall just like to rip on him.

He may never reach full potential or be a Dirk, but he is still going to end up as a top 5 player in his draft.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It was a pretty crappy draft. The only player to come out of there with any real potential was Brandon Roy (which I CALLED on draft night, btw ).

Its like blaming Jordan for drafting Kwame Brown. Who else should he have taken??? Mike Miller??

Try Pau Gasol.

At the time, I said I would have taken Gay at #1. Both he and Roy would be way better options than Macaroni.

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WTF does this add to the convo? No one said he is better than Roy. But if Bargs tops 20 PPG, he will certainly be of a lot closer.

Don't get sand in your vagina. If he suddenly starts pulling down 12 rebounds a game or magically s out Magic Johnson, he'll be closer too, but that's not reality. Based on his production, he's neither the best player from that draft, nor is he even close to being worth 10 million dollars a year, much less being extended a year before it's necessary.

And I could swear someone DID say he was the best player in the draft, which means he's better than Roy, right?

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Ok, but what about the Bargs draft? Who should he have taken? The only two right now you can say for certain are Rondo and Roy. That is not that bad and Bargs still has time to grow into a better player. He has the talent, yall just like to rip on him.

He may never reach full potential or be a Dirk, but he is still going to end up as a top 5 player in his draft.

Let me say this again: You do not pay a guy ten million dollars a year just because he was better than all but four other guys in a weak draft.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

he is still going to end up as a top 5 player in his draft.

Doesn't change the fact he's not worth 10 million a year.