Rumor: Marion to Mavericks will be announced today

[da_suns_fan]

It was Colangelo's decision to "wait and see" with Joe, I hate Robert Sarver with a strong passion but the Colangelo's had complete control over personnel decisions during the 2004 off season.

I'm not talking about the 5 year 70 million dollar ATL contract, I'm talking about the 6 year 50 million dollar extension Joe wanted the year prior. Sarver had nothing to do with refusing to give Joe that money. My point is a that someone who wouldn't give JJ that money but would give nani the extension he got really doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

The Colangelos botched the Joe Johnson situation, and I don't fault Sarver at all for not giving him a 5 year 70 million dollar contract Atlanta offered, if he stayed on Phoenix and continued to do nothing other than play off ball as a shooting specialist in D'antoni's offense, he wouldn't be nearly the player he is today. The 2004-2005 Joe Johnson wasn't worth 5 year 70 million.

SO AM I!! And Ive never heard anyone claim that it was the Colangelos and not Sarver who turned down Joe in 2004 OR 2005. Kudos for getting the numbers correct (most people dont), but you are mistaken.

Likewise, the Suns also thought Joe was at least the 6 year, 75 million dollar offer they went up to in 2005, and saying Joe was nothing more than an off the ball shooter with the Suns is inaccurate. Anyone who watched that season could tell you one of the few plays the Suns ran in the half court was isolations for Joe Johnson. My favorite was when he would rock his defender to sleep and then bust a J in their face.

Oh man...that guy was great.

[ploto]

Toronto would only sign and trade Marion if it helps them shed salary or get Hedo in a S&T. They are not going to do it to get anyone back from Dallas.

The way it would work is that Toronto would buy out Stackhouse and pay the other cheap guy and that would be less of a salary hit than paying Banks. There is NO incentive at all for Toronto to do the deal unless it helps them lessen their salary which they could do because Stack only has $2M guaranteed.

A straight S&T for Marion to Dallas serves Toronto no benefit unless they can involve Orlando and somehow get Hedo in a S&T from Orlando-- Marion S&T to Dallas-- and Dallas send something (like Bass, et al) to Orlando.

[da_suns_fan]

If you don't consider trading a first round pick for a future first round pick you know will be lower and cash considerations selling a pick, then you're stupid. We both know they traded the 7th overall pick to save money, they didn't trade it because they thought they were getting a good deal. Stop acting like it's so black and white.

I'm not even blaming Colangelo for doing it, I'm blaming D'antoni. D'antoni was the common denominator during the 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 off season when all the picks were sold. No one else had an influence over the team for all 4 of those off seasons other than D'antoni.

Man...you are so mistaken. You are a VERY opinionated poster, which is cool as most posters here are just carbon copies of one another, but your facts are wrong.

In 2004, Sarver made it well known the Suns had to get their payroll in order before purchasing the team.

Secondly, there was no move made in 2005 to save money other than the Joe Johnson fiasco. The Bulls pick was traded with Q for Kurt Thomas. I dont know why you are blaming D'Antoni OR Colangelo for that one. I would rather have had KT than Nate Robinson and Q. Who are you blaming and for what reason?

Third, D'Antoni was GM during the 2006 off-season in which they sold the picks. Blame him all you want, I dont care. I personally believe he was given a number to work with and was told to try and sign Tim Thomas. His options were pretty limited.

In 2007, it was Kerr who sold our picks and traded away future ones. You can't possibly believe the Suns traded away KT and two first round picks for D'Antoni or Colangelo (who wasnt even part of the organization anymore).

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

saying Joe was nothing more than an off the ball shooter with the Suns is inaccurate. Anyone who watched that season could tell you one of the few plays the Suns ran in the half court was isolations for Joe Johnson. My favorite was when he would rock his defender to sleep and then bust a J in their face.

Oh man...that guy was great.

yes he had iso plays run for him here and there, I agree. But his one on one game would have digressed if he stayed with the Suns playing in that system. Look at Amare's one on one game in 2005 and where it is now, it's gotten way worse. Look at what happened to Q after he left Phoenix, on the Clippers he was great at posting other wing players up, now all he does is camp behing the arc and chuck.

[Spurs Brazil]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...=lgns&expire=1

Mavericks near deal for Marion
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
41 minutes ago

Buzz up!4 votes PrintMore From Adrian WojnarowskiCap set at $57.7M; Seven to pay luxury tax Jul 7, 2009 Pistons close to naming Kuester coach Jul 7, 2009
The Dallas Mavericks are close to acquiring Shawn Marion(notes) in a sign-and-trade deal with the Toronto Raptors, league sources said Wednesday.

Jerry Stackhouse(notes) will be dealt to the Raptors, who will ship his contract to another team for considerations.

[lefty]

LMAO Mavs

[2Cleva]

That's a good move for Dallas.

I think they knock SA out of the playoffs again should they meet.

Kidd/Howard/Marion/Dirk/Gortat with Terry/Barea/Dampier and maybe Bass.

Plus they have Howard's last year K to use in trade bait. Michael Redd is a guy Dallas wanted before - with Milwaukee circling the drain, I see that happening by deadline at latest.

[Findog]

LMAO Mavs

what's so funny? I'd rather have Marion than Stackhouse's remains.

[Obstructed_View]

what's so funny? I'd rather have Marion than Stackhouse's remains.

yeah. You get him for nothing, that's good. You get him AND move Stack somewhere else, that's just gravy on the potatoes.

I'd run it through the trade machine, but Marion's no longer on Toronto's roster.

[Findog]

That's a good move for Dallas.

I think they knock SA out of the playoffs again should they meet.

Kidd/Howard/Marion/Dirk/Gortat with Terry/Barea/Dampier and maybe Bass.

Plus they have Howard's last year K to use in trade bait. Michael Redd is a guy Dallas wanted before - with Milwaukee circling the drain, I see that happening by deadline at latest.

I'd love Michael Redd - just need to see how his legs hold up after that ACL injury before I make a move to acquire him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Third, D'Antoni was GM during the 2006 off-season in which they sold the picks. Blame him all you want, I dont care. I personally believe he was given a number to work with and was told to try and sign Tim Thomas. His options were pretty limited.

In 2007, it was Kerr who sold our picks and traded away future ones. You can't possibly believe the Suns traded away KT and two first round picks for D'Antoni or Colangelo (who wasnt even part of the organization anymore).

It's pretty easy to make an argument when you believe what you want to believe. When D'antoni was GM AND coach in 2006, it wasn't his fault picks were sold at all, but for some reason when Kerr was a rookie GM in 2007 who had no power at the time, it's completely his fault that picks were sold. Explain that logic.

Of course I'm not blaming Colangelo, I'm blaming D'antoni and Sarver for the KT trade. Kerr executed the trade because Sarver told him to. D'antoni wanted KT traded, D'antoni hated using Kurt Thomas, we know he's an extremely one dimensional coach that doesn't know how to use role players who specialize at defense. We also know D'antoni didn't like young players, this is evident by his quote, "I'm not here to develop players."

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It probably wouldn't have done much good either way if D'antoni kept the picks and used them. Danilo Galinari sure looks like something special so far.

[Findog]

yeah. You get him for nothing, that's good. You get him AND move Stack somewhere else, that's just gravy on the potatoes.

Yeah, nobody is saying Marion is as good as LeBron James. The best that Dallas can hope for this offseason is to be in the "we're right there" category, which means with health and some lucky breaks, they could advance out of the West. That was pretty much 2006, with Amare being out and Duncan having PF. Magic probably would not have beaten Boston w/ a healthy KG.

Marion was practically the 2nd-best player in Miami and Toronto. In Dallas, he'd be the 4th option. The only risk is if he still has that propensity for getting into alpha dog pissing matches.

[ploto]

The new twist is that it looks like Toronto is not even going to have to buy out Stackhouse themselves, but instead trade him to a team under the cap clearing up even more space to sign Hedo and Parker or Delfino.

[spursfan09]

Good moves for mavs...


Sons of es!

[Findog]

The new twist is that it looks like Toronto is not even going to have to buy out Stackhouse themselves, but instead trade him to a team under the cap clearing up even more space to sign Hedo and Parker or Delfino.

Hot damn.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Marion was practically the 2nd-best player in Miami and Toronto.

He was also the 2nd best player on the Suns from 2005-2007.

[da_suns_fan]

It's pretty easy to make an argument when you believe what you want to believe. When D'antoni was GM AND coach in 2006, it wasn't his fault picks were sold at all, but for some reason when Kerr was a rookie GM in 2007 who had no power at the time, it's completely his fault that picks were sold. Explain that logic.

Of course I'm not blaming Colangelo, I'm blaming D'antoni and Sarver for the KT trade. Kerr executed the trade because Sarver told him to. D'antoni wanted KT traded, D'antoni hated using Kurt Thomas, we know he's an extremely one dimensional coach that doesn't know how to use role players who specialize at defense. We also know D'antoni didn't like young players, this is evident by his quote, "I'm not here to develop players."

I agree that D'Antoni had many flaws and needed to go, but saying he didnt like young players is disingenuous. LB was young. Amare was young. Joe Johnson was young.

In 2004-2005, the Phoenix Suns were the youngest team in the NBA.

D'Antoni didnt have problems with young players, he was stating that his priority was to go after veterans to help them win a championship rather than draft rookies who he would have to play if they were ever going to develop. You, like so many others, are taking his quote completely out of context.

You should hook up with JMarksJohn if he's still around. He too loved to use every D'Antoni cliche in the book.

I might agree with you that D'Antoni might have been consulted before trading KT, but I doubt it. I dont blame Kerr. He is the quintessential "Yes-Man" who does whatever the owner wants him to do.


btw - Sorry, Mavs fans for hi-jacking your thread.

[Ghazi]

He was also the 2nd best player on the Suns from 2005-2007.

-_- only in 2006!

[DPG21920]

Toronto did a good job and so did the Mavs. Win / Win for both teams if this happens.

[Findog]

btw - Sorry, Mavs fans for hi-jacking your thread.

Not a problem dsf. We're allowed to post on stuff that is peripheral to the thread.

[Obstructed_View]

He was also the 2nd best player on the Suns from 2005-2007.

Since he was the only one of their top three players who could or would defend anyone, he deserves to be at least in the top two.

[da_suns_fan]

-_- only in 2006!

I agree.

[Findog]

Toronto did a good job and so did the Mavs. Win / Win for both teams if this happens.

If they immediately ship out Stack so they don't have to renounce Delfino? Yeah, I'd call that a win/win. Maybe the Mavs could've gotten somebody better than Marion for the Stack contract, but 1 in the hand > 2 in the bush.

[Ditty]

That's a good move for Dallas.

I think they knock SA out of the playoffs again should they meet.

Kidd/Howard/Marion/Dirk/Gortat with Terry/Barea/Dampier and maybe Bass.

Plus they have Howard's last year K to use in trade bait. Michael Redd is a guy Dallas wanted before - with Milwaukee circling the drain, I see that happening by deadline at latest.

lol in the western confernce finals

if the spurs get mdyess and lakers lose odom the spurs should be as good as LA or even better

mavs look imtiminating if this happens but marion has been described as a selfish player i see mavs being the 4th best team in the conference right now

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