Andrea Bustnani gets a $10 million a year extension

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So if Al never starts on a championship team does that mean you were completely wrong?

Here you go again putting words in my mouth, when did I ever say anything about Al starting on a championship team. Just cause I said player A won't start on a championship team, it doesn't mean I said player B will start on a championship team.

Also, you're overvaluing stats a lot here.

[DPG21920]

Sorry, see my edit. I mean the other four months of the season. Seems kind of odd.

It was only for the first 3 months of the season. Like I said, he really had a poor year after a very promising rookie year capped off by a clutch playoffs from him.

So the coach was kind of iffy, because everyone was breathing down their necks about the "bust" label.

But once he proved himself and (the Oneal trade pushed him to the bench), he got the minutes and played well.

He should get the minutes next year, we will see how he does. Right now the small pattern is 1 good year, 1 bad. Lets see how he responds to the managements faith.

[DPG21920]

Forgive me for being dissatisfied with a team that is lazy and doesn't make the playoffs.

You d on Nash when they were in the playoffs and he was winning MVP's.

You just hate players sometimes and go over board with half-truth/hate arguments.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You were implying it. You said the "championship" thing then brought up Dirk. Then said you would take Dirk over Al, knowing full well that is only because of age.

If they were both in their primes, Dirk murders Al. Bargs in not as good as Dirk and will never be. But Dirk makes 21M, Bargs makes 10M. He is certainly not half the player Dirk is.

You brought up Dirk.

And it's crazy you know what I was thinking, are you a mind reader or something? I never said anything close to the absolute, "All bigs who play inside are better than big who play outside," so stop telling me I did. It's pretty easy to argue with someone when you control what they're saying.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You d on Nash when they were in the playoffs and he was winning MVP's.

Really? I didn't know that? Thanks for telling me. Now can you show me the proof backing that up?

[DPG21920]

Here you go again putting words in my mouth, when did I ever say anything about Al starting on a championship team. Just cause I said player A won't start on a championship team, it doesn't mean I said player B will start on a championship team.

Also, you're overvaluing stats a lot here.

How so? I am going simply by what the league is paying people for certain categories of players.

I am not saying Bargs will be the best player ever or Tim Duncan. I am saying that for a guy who could very well average 20 PPG and that is young and 7 feet tall, he is paid within the range of fairly. That is it. I am not saying that the NBA is correct for valuing stats (20PPG), but that is the way it is.

Just like everyone knows you have to over pay bigs because there are so few of them. Just how it works. But there are even fewer bigs that can score like Bargs at his age.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Being 7 feet tall accomplishes nothing when you average 5.4 rebounds per game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'm still waiting to hear how DPG knows that I badmouthed Nash from 2005-2007 just as much as I do now.

[DPG21920]

Really? I didn't know that? Thanks for telling me. Now can you show me the proof backing that up?

You never said you hated Nash and that the MVP's were bull ? You never said he was overrated and the team would never win rings? Same with Coach Dan?

You were bashing the team and players even when they made the playoffs, were you not? So it is clearly not about you being upset about missing the playoffs.

You hated many of the players and the system, even when they were always in the playoffs for the most part?

[DPG21920]

I'm still waiting to hear how DPG knows that I badmouthed Nash from 2005-2007 just as much as I do now.

I did not say you bashed them in 2005-2007, or at least that is not what I meant and you know it.

I said you always bash them now and bring up that time frame. You might not have done it then, but you do it now.

[DPG21920]

Being 7 feet tall accomplishes nothing when you average 5.4 rebounds per game.

Just like Aldridge shoots a better "percentage" than Bargs....unless you look at the True Shooting Percentage.

His rebounding is poor, no one is arguing that. But he is still not over paid.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nope, I never said I hated him back then. I've said many times that LOOKING BACK ON IT, that team wasn't very good. At the time I liked Nash and everyone on the team. Once the 2007 season ended was when I became negative about the team, and even then this season was the only season I started to hate Nash.

[DPG21920]

Nope, I never said I hated him back then. I've said many times that LOOKING BACK ON IT, that team wasn't very good. At the time I liked Nash and everyone on the team. Once the 2007 season ended was when I became negative about the team, and even then this season was the only season I started to hate Nash.

My point exactly. Now that you hate Nash, you bash everything about him including past teams that were in the playoffs. You just like to bash players. But at least make sense when you do it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I said you always bash them now and bring up that time frame. You might not have done it then, but you do it now.

Only reason I do that now is because I'm tired of Nash getting away with how he acted this season just because of 2005-2007. It's in the past.

If I built someone a house in 2007 and then burnt their house down, building them a house wouldn't make it OK that I burnt their house down.

[DPG21920]

Ok...

Point is that imo, based on what I have seen, that he is not over paid. He is in the range (although the high end of the range) of fair pay with a guy with his size and tools and current production.

The only way he is over paid imo, is if he takes a step backwards. If that happens, you bet your ass I will say I was wrong about him. But based on today's production, it is a fair contract. If he get more production, then it is a very good contract.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

My point exactly. Now that you hate Nash, you bash everything about him including past teams that were in the playoffs. You just like to bash players. But at least make sense when you do it.

Nothing I say about Nash isn't true. Also, I've never said his MVP's are overrated, never.

[ffadicted]

I'd give him 7.5 per year max

[DPG21920]

Bump:

First game, not bad:

11-15 FG's, 4-4 FT's, 28 PTS, 5 REB, 1 STL, 1 BLK

[ploto]

Bump:

First game, not bad:

11-15 FG's, 4-4 FT's, 28 PTS, 5 REB, 1 STL, 1 BLK

Not bad? He played great!

[DPG21920]

So far, so good:

Tonight he had: 50% FG, 80% FT, 22 PTS, 12 REB, 2 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TO's

His average so far (not including tonights game):

59% FG, 61% 3PT, Perfect from the line, 22 PPG, 5 REBS, 1 AST, .7 BLKS, 2.67 TO's


His rebounding still sucks and he certainly needs to pick up his BLKs and cut down the TO's, but overall good start. Given, it is only 4 games in, but he is only playing 32 MPG. That is not even a minute increase from last year, but a 7 PPG jump.

[Chieflion]

Bargnani is improving. He should be well worth that contract now.

[Darthkiller]

So far, so good:

Tonight he had: 50% FG, 80% FT, 22 PTS, 12 REB, 2 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TO's

His average so far (not including tonights game):

59% FG, 61% 3PT, Perfect from the line, 22 PPG, 5 REBS, 1 AST, .7 BLKS, 2.67 TO's


His rebounding still sucks and he certainly needs to pick up his BLKs and cut down the TO's, but overall good start. Given, it is only 4 games in, but he is only playing 32 MPG. That is not even a minute increase from last year, but a 7 PPG jump.

all star this year

[DPG21920]

It is still way too early to say anything definitive. But so far he is off to a promising start. I wish he would work on some of his weaknesses, but the fact his strengths are showing more is a good thing.

He is super efficient right now. I wonder if they plan to play him only 32 MPG all year? If so, he won't score 20 PPG imo.

[DPG21920]

He is playing 34 MPG now, which is not very many minutes, but he is now as I said a legit 20 PPG scorer. He is shooting 47% from the field and he is still scoring 20+ PPG with his 3PT shooting being below his average.

His rebounding is still extremely poor and his team sucks, but he is a solid offensive player.

[SpursDynasty85]

Nothing really funny about that news... 8-10 mill is about his range...