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I don't vote, and I'm an atheist, just to answer the rapist-admirer's question..
And highlight II:...Mrs. O'Neal listening to that detective testify about Kobe rattin' out Mr. O'Neal for similar behavior. Good lord, can ya imagine it at the O'Neal house after that?
I don't vote, and I'm an atheist, just to answer the rapist-admirer's question..
it was also pathetic how Laker fans were calling the woman and her family, threatening her for her life..the Church of Kobe at it's finest..
so she was being attacked by high-priced lawyers, her entire life was being probed, attacked by the LA media, and she was being threatened for her life by crazed Laker fans..this girl stood no chance..she was raped, but she became the bad guy..
while Kobe raped a woman, and also snitched on his teammate later that night..his punishment? lost some endorsements that he got back a few years later, after he cried and tried to get out of LA, only to be rewarded again by his team receiving Pau Gasol..
Odom's appearance on The Fantasy Factory is better than anything he's done in his basketball career.
Ipso facto, she should have never taken that money, Harlem. The moment she did that everything ceased to exist prior.
Those two 3's in the 4th quarter when the Magic cut it to 5 withstanding.
Where is your indisputable proof that Kobe raped this woman?
After being "raped" by Kobe, didnt the girl brag to alot of people at a party later that night about sleeping with kobe?
could be signing a long term contract and not sure when phil will hang it up
and maybe they do not want to play with kurt as coach
Maybe this is why some players don't want to play for the the Lakers, and it has nothing to do with $$$.
I wouldnt want too either
Cheryl, we're all imperfect. Kobe was dangerously reckless and his imperfections were exposed to the world. We as the public were not en led to an apology for his trespasses against O'Neal...as we were not en led to hear such testimony, but, that was Colorado's shame, not ours. Daddy & Kobe seemed to have mended their rift from that particular "insult."
Yeah, it really sucks here.
You don't know me as a person. You don't know Kobe or Kate Farber anymore than you have been fed my the media either. So you can come down off your morals and respect high horse anytime.
Well thank you for admitting they are assumptions. Isn't that truly the point? In my post i said it was possible that it was a rape and it was possible the girl was going after her meal ticket. Only they really know now and thats the fact. The difference is, you took your now admitted assumptions and stated them as FACT.
I think it's a long stretch to imply that someone who has a history of teamate turmoil in a sports environment has the "character" to commit criminal acts.
But again, you cleared that up with your admission of assumption. Bravo!
Make up? The medical records were not made up. She most definetly had semen from multiple partners over the weekend in her panties and body. She had a medical history of depression and suicidal tendencies that were well do mented. Where is your morals compass now? I suppose it is morally acceptable to have multiple partners out of wedlock over a weekend or to attempt suicide in your world? Or is it that you just use those terms when they fit your needs?
I cannot argue with you here. He put himself in the situation. Only those two will actually know what really went on. And your allegation of rape is indeed and assumption and not anywhere near FACT. Thank you again for that admittion.
Iverson and Kidd are most definetly relevent players still today. Let's be real here. There are thousands of threads on boards talking about basketball where they are involved. As is the same with Kobe. Are you telling me their indescretions are mentioned at the same ratio as Kobe's? Not even close. You cannot pull up a thread about Kobe where there isnt some idiotic rapist comment. It's all about the Laker hate and Kobe hate and has nothing to do with the actual indescretions or rellevence.
He is hailed for his basketball prowess. He is hailed for his work ethic. He is hailed for his compe ive spirt and will to win. He is not hailed for his character.
People ignore these incidents? Are you serious? How can they when individuals such as yourself spew the rapist etc. comments in every possible manner in every meduim available? Seems like a major contradiction to me there.
So let's jump off the assumptions bandwagon and onto the generalizations one:
Laker fans are by far the least knowledgeable? Delusional about everything?
Do you have any quan ave proof for such bold statements? I'm guessing not.
The arguments and comparisons of players have gone on since the beginning of sport and will contiue. It is almost impossible to compare eras and clearly fallable when careers have not even completed. It's the bantar that makes being a fan fun. It's all about opinions and many are swayed by their homerism. Being a fan is about supporting your team is it not? So I suggest that Laker fans are no different than any others.... they just get on YOUR nerves more. That doesnt make them the worst... it makes them more successful.
I don't know a single Laker fan that wouldn't admit that being in a desired local has helped the franchise. But to suggest that it is the "majority" reason for the teams sucess is both ignorant and absurd. The sucess has come from having an owner that values winning over the bottom line. It comes from having quality personell in the front office and coaching ranks. I comes from instilling a winning atmosphere and hard work. And there is even some luck involved. The "majority" coming from the "local" inticement is laughable.... and I offer you as proof..... the Clippers.
So if i pull up all the threads that state how the Spurs were actually better and only lost because of injury or how the Lakers lucked into the le I can say Spur fans are the most insecure in the NBA? Yet another generalization brought on by the Laker hate.... nothing more. Why whould Laker fans need reassurances? We have a trophy case full of them.
WOW....Just WOW!!!
At least you have gone from "raped someone" to "alleged rapist" in one post. I'll have to give you credit for that.
Probably about the same time you get off that high horse.
Last edited by cobbler; 07-18-2009 at 05:03 PM.
No idea, but the reports had her volunteering to take a polygraph(no idea if the police took her up on it but you have to imagine they would..right?)
Spursfan is looking really dumb in here. I've looked over the evidence in the Kobe case multiple times and there just isn't enough to go forward with prosecution. How can you possibly imply he is guilty if there isn't even evidence other than the girl's hearsay? It's obvious by the accounts of that night and later evidence that she was very promiscuous. Couple this with contradicting statements and a very messed up past, and she had 0 credibility. I would not have moved forward on the case if I was a spurs fan and the DA. There just isn't any evidence. Go read over all the case paperwork again. You have to be really biased against Kobe to see anything in it.
So, Spursfan would do well to stop playing that card. Play the "Cheated on wife" one instead since its actually true.
Damn did you all just see that?
Cobbler just murdered HarlemHeat.
If you are famous, people love to assume you are automatically guilty.
That's not a surprise. HarlemHeat isn't as well known as some of the other stupid ST posters because he doesn't have a noticeable shtick, but he's just as dumb.
LOL he didn't murder me at all, he didn't say anything..
-of course I'm assuming he raped her, I've never denied that..like I say all the time, I'm basing my assumptions on his character, the same way all of you that deny it are basing it on the girl's character..there's no other way of knowing in a case like this, because they were the only 2 people in the room..
-Being promiscuous doesn't mean that a girl couldn't be raped..that's not how life works..if her choice was to have sex with multiple partners in that time span, that's on her, it doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped..that's the stupidest attack of character I've seen as an argument..
Tupac Shakur got a year and a half in jail for allegedly sexually abusing a woman that he had already had intercourse with earlier, and had allegedly given him dome in a nightclub a few days earlier..she was also known around town as a promiscuous woman..that didn't stop the law from taking her side, which wouldn't have happened with the logic you guys are using against the woman that was viciously raped by Bryant..the main argument against 2Pac was an attack on his character and his music, which wouldn't be much different than an attack on Kobe IMO..
Mike Tyson had a very similar case..his victim was accused of the same , and she was also accused of having many holes and contradictory statements in her claims..that didn't stop Tyson from getting convicted and sent to prison..
so your logic is very wrong here, which isn't surprising, since you're a Lakers fan..
-The key here is that they both admitted that the sex took place..this wasn't a case where a woman alleged that they ed, but there was no proof of it..Kobe admitted that there was intercourse, and he admitted that he was choking her, which looks bad on him..
-Her medical depression doesn't mean anything..if you're clinically depressed, that will never change without medication..having "more money" or "fame" or whatever you guys think she was looking for doesn't change anything..clinical depression isn't some "phase" that you go through..having alleged problems with Schizophrenia doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped..I know this for a fact, because my girlfriend's aunt has Schizophrenia, and she was raped when she was in her early 20s..it's not like it didn't happen, just because she had mental problems..
-What do my morals have to do with sex and suicide?..why would I care if somebody has a lot of sex out of wedlock? I'm not religious, I don't give a ..I would care if she was cheating on her husband or whatever, but she wasn't married to my knowledge..suicide? why would that matter?..why would that affect my morals or reaction towards her?..I feel bad for her for going through that, and then having to deal with this ..
-I never said Iverson and Kidd weren't relevant..I said that you don't hear about guys like Ruben Patterson, because they aren't relevant..I clearly said that you hear about Iverson and Kidd all the time, which is true..
you don't hear them as much as Kobe, because they don't have nearly as many incidents, and because Kobe has arguably the biggest fanbase/hype in the NBA..it's a natural reaction, clearly..
-Like I said..
He admitted he ed her, he admitted he choked her, they reported that she was bleeding, only the 2 of them were in the room, Kobe has character issues, the girl received threats on her life by Laker fans, she was attacked by the media and Kobe's lawyers..
I have plenty of reason to believe he did it..
It's the same amount of proof as the people arguing for the other side of this..you don't have any proof that Kobe didn't do it..
the arguments of the "Kobe didn't do it" people are that she had a lot of sex, had semen in her panties, and had clinical depression..
how the is that possibly a different argument than my argument against Kobe?..you're judge judging her character, which is what I'm doing with Kobe..
I think it's funny how nobody acknowledges Phil Jackson's comments..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 07-18-2009 at 06:25 PM.
To be honest, I don't think Kobe raped her at all...I know he had sex with her though, and cheated on his wife...and in my eyes, that's wrong enough. I'm sure there are others that do it, but that doesn't make Kobe any better of a person in my eyes. The guy is the best player in the NBA, but if I had a kid, I wouldn't let him wear a Kobe jersey...I believe in God, and read the bible, and thou shalt not commit adultery is important in my eyes.
Then you better burn your Parker jersey.
That little Frenchman has cheated on his wife on numerous occasions.
I also hate when people play the "if you're famous" card..please..if you're rich and famous, you're much more likely to get off when it's these types of cases, where it's he-said, she-said..
$$$ buys you freedom..ask OJ, ask Kobe, ask Stallworth..
people said the same about Tyson, that women were just after his money..years later, and he's basically come out and admitted what he did..
I wonder how this would have looked if the woman had the same resources as Kobe..
Did he really?
If so, what a DUMBASS!
Kobe isnt the only athlete to cheat on his wife. It is part of the celebrity life. No it isnt right, but it's their decision to make. I dont look at athletes as role models and I dont think kids should either. Parents should be their role models. I look at athletes as what they do on the court. If they are helping my team win, I dont care if they are cheating.
I dont believe kobe raped her but that is my view. I mean why would she be bragging to people at a party that she slept with him if she was truly raped (thats assuming if that party story was true). Shouldnt she be traumatized instead of acting all badass?
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