Obama/Gates/Police fiasco....

[Winehole23]

Inviting Gates outside *to continue the conversation* also looks like a pretext for arrest. It stinks.

[Marcus Bryant]

Conservatives don't give a about civil rights until they get busted for a DWI after a night spent drinking at the country club.

[ChumpDumper]

According to the police report, which is the only official do ent, Gates followed him outside, no one forced him to leave his house. If he had never gone outside, this whole situation would have never happened.

Had they just left, this whole situation would never have happened.

[BacktoBasics]

and he just left?

Typically they just want to ensure that the situation is on the down turn and that there isn't any threat of violence. Sarcasm and a big mouth have never landed me in jail.

I've even been visibly drunk while underage in my front yard dropping F-bombs. They calmed me down and had my friends take me inside. Problem solved. I was certainly grateful that they didn't overreact to a little party noise and a drunk smartass.

[mookie2001]

ive been listening to neocon radio, you should have heard them their taints were red with rage, they spent hours on this

heres what i learned

black people have no respect for the police because their black parents raised them that way

police are heros

obama is a marxist who has no use for police unless he is controlling them to be marxist

black kids are shot in america because they dont have respect for the police

[sam1617]

I also emphasized the lack of discretion, sam.

Even if the arrest was justifiable, it shows poor discretion to arrest a man at his own residence for being a bit of a about a mistaken police investigation, based on an erroneous complaint.

I will agree that the officer is capable of using his discretion. However, IMO, the bigger mistake was on Gates, he could have cooperated, just gave him his ID, figured it out calmly, and then stayed inside. Instead he behaved badly and got arrested for it.

[ChumpDumper]

their taints were red with rage

[BacktoBasics]

I've even had a state trooper pull me over at around midnight down around the Canyon lake area. We were headed for a swim. Had a ton of beer with us. Underage. Hadn't really been drinking yet just about one each on the drive there. They knew we just cracked open the case and all they did was pour it out on the side of the road. I got mouthy about being wasteful. He said I'd be thankful for his generosity when I got older. He was right. DWI would have sucked the life right out of me.

[Winehole23]

Had they just left, this whole situation would never have happened.

Agreed, but Gates would've done well to confine himself to this formula upon showing his proof of residency:

Please leave my property now.

[resistanze]

this is a perfect example of why conservatism is headed towards permanent electoral loser status. It may shock the yannis and water closets of the world but non-white citizens tend just as much as white ones to be conservative. The difference is that the cobra commanders and plagiarizers who think they are libertarian minded conservatives end up turning political conservatism into an authoritarian movement with a thinly disguised disdain for non-whites.

Jefferson thought spilling a little blood once in a while in revolution against the state was good for liberty. Cobra commander would think that means that every day cops should pick up black men off the street and execute them.

qft

[sam1617]

ive been listening to neocon radio, you should have heard them their taints were red with rage, they spent hours on this

heres what i learned

black people have no respect for the police because their black parents raised them that way

police are heros

obama is a marxist who has no use for police unless he is controlling them to be marxist

black kids are shot in america because they dont have respect for the police

And listening to liberal radio, it's the opposite.

Police are all evil, people never break laws, all police that arrest black men are racist.

[DarrinS]

I always thought that Cambridge Massachusetts was the biggest bastion of flaming liberalism in the US (well, besides San Fran and Austin). But now, after reading the posts of Marcus Bryant, I realize that it is really Nazi Germany.

[ChumpDumper]

And listening to liberal radio, it's the opposite.

Police are all evil, people never break laws, all police that arrest black men are racist.

Which liberal radio did you listen to today?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Contrary to the beliefs of some here, just leaving is indeed an option.

chump still failing.

[Marcus Bryant]

I always thought that Cambridge Massachusetts was the biggest bastion of flaming liberalism in the US (well, besides San Fran and Austin).

The Cons ution applies everywhere, even there.

[Gino]

Which liberal radio did you listen to today?

I like Stephanie Miller's show but "Air America" got dropped by my local affiliate.

Theres a guy who does voices. His Kim Jong Il is priceless.

[ChumpDumper]

chump still failing.

Tell us all exactly how just leaving was not an option, Esfailas.

[mookie2001]

you dont listen to liberal radio nobody does

SF and austin police have a history of being liberal?

[DarrinS]

It's amusing how a full half-year plus of whining in this forum by self-described "conservatives" about the fascist state set to descend on this country disappeared when this issue came up.

FYI


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[mrsmaalox]

Okay guys, you know I rarely venture into this place so be gentle with me And sorry I don't have the patience to read the entire thread, so I just skimmed it. So enough disclaimer. Has anyone here heard the officer's recording of the incident? I heard it the first day on CNN but lately there is not much said about it. Made the case pretty obvious in my mind.

[DarrinS]

Tell us all exactly how just leaving was not an option, Esfailas.

Leaving was an option. So was arresting Gates.

[Winehole23]

Has anyone here heard the officer's recording of the incident? I heard it the first day on CNN but lately there is not much said about it. Made the case pretty obvious in my mind.

Obvious as to what, please?

[Marcus Bryant]

FYI


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I know what it is, do you?

[DarrinS]

Okay guys, you know I rarely venture into this place so be gentle with me And sorry I don't have the patience to read the entire thread, so I just skimmed it. So enough disclaimer. Has anyone here heard the officer's recording of the incident? I heard it the first day on CNN but lately there is not much said about it. Made the case pretty obvious in my mind.

What is your opinion?

[ChumpDumper]

Leaving was an option. So was arresting Gates.

The question was for Esfailas.