Not trash talking, it's stating facts.
Because you can't refute what I said.
Spurs and Pistons fans who have been watching their teams religiously (especially during the Championship years) when the defense was ridiculously good, would probably have a pretty decent knowledge about the defensive end of the court wouldn't you agree?
Saying that another team is inadequate defensively is not the same as saying "My team is better defensively than yours is."
There were countless and i mean countless threads on this forum, tearing apart the Lakers on defense this year against houston, denver, and orlando, and most of them were prolly warranted. I just wanted to point out that the Spurs are in the same class as the lakers on defense, and not in the class of Boston and Cleveland even when healthy.
Just because people say the Lakers D was below par doesn't mean they are saying the Spurs are better, I could've been Suns fan and said the Lakers D was sub par at times.
How could a team that had the defensive juggernaut known as Matt Bonner as its starting center have defensive issues?
I'm a Spurs fan and I refuse to admit it.
Yeah, there is nothing to debate about!!!
You Fool!
We all know that the Spurs have not been up to par with the top 3 or 4 teams defensively, but they are not horribly behind either! I mean, they are still top 5 team in that category!!!
So yea, we SPURS fans know that Defense wins championships!! and With the additions this offseason its looking like they will get back to D-Mode this upcoming year!!!
Suns fans aren't allowed to debate in this topic
Not only did the Spurs D suck, they were reliant on 3 pt shooting and the penetration of their two guards for points in the paint.
Duncan's got toughness beside him on Defense and better weapons on offense, so big things could happen.
Because that was Tim Duncans prime year(s), one of the greatest defensive anchors ever to play in his prime. What do you expect?
Thats why I like the McDyess signing, and don't understand getting rid of Bruce Bowen. Bowen was and still is easily your best perimiter defender against elite 2's and 3's, his work against PG's is admirable also.
1) You don't get the reference
2) You are an idiot
3) I can't refute that Tim at the end tail end of his career is not as good as he once was when his was MVP? No .
Just wait and see. We're going to murder every team we face this coming season and all this talk won't be anywhere to be found.
Just wait and see. We're going to murder every team we face this coming season and all this talk won't be anywhere to be found.
I hope so man, because it's a shame that the media regards s like KG(who had 1 elite year) as a better defensive player than Tim Duncan. I'm curious as to what Pop comes up with though this year however.
We already know the defense has been deteriorating the past couple of years lol. Our defense was at its pinnacle when we had a "twin towers" setup. We did that with Robinson, Rasho, and Elson as a complimentary piece to Duncan. Somehow we got stuck with fake centers playing along side Duncan the past couple of years(aka bonner, thomas). Spurs interior defense is all predicated on the help defense by the opposite bigman coming over. Last year none of that was happening. Because Bonner is Bonner and Duncan was slowed with injuries. Then you throw in the fact that Bowen's age finally caught up with him so we had no "stopper" to help slow or shutdown the stars on the other team. But what makes that worse is we didn't even have Manu out there we had to survive on Mason's defense which is extremely mediocre. Then you got Finley trying his heart out to play defense but i'm sorry he's just too old and not a defense type player.
I could go on and on here. Your an idiot to think we don't see these things. The Spurs did the best they could to address all these issues in the offseason. It will be a matter of time to see how well things come together. How good the Spurs will be next year will be mostly based on how healthy the team can stay.
Schemes dont mean when you dont have the personnel to execute them. And our big 3 got us 3 championships so it would be stupid not to ride them out and hope for the best. Parkers in his prime, Duncan is Duncan, and we wouldn't get near the value of Manu out of a trade.
They would i agree, but why bother to bring that intensity to those teams anyway? The Lakers proved they didn't need to and they could turn it on and off whenever they felt like it
This is the kind of mindset that is a result of Phil Jackson coaching. Like I said earlier, it works against 80 to 85% of the teams in the league, but against Boston or Cleveland it can fail miserably.
If you rewatch the Spurs-Lakers series in 2008, the Spurs played quality D in 4 out 5 games. It's just that their offense, which has historically been inept, was extremely inept, and their defense could no longer pay the bills so to speak. My point now is, even when 100% healthy, can the spurs get back to juggernaut status on Defense again?
The previous formula for Spurs championships ALWAYS included the spurs being a top 3 defensive ball club in most major and significant defensive categories. So its obvious that the spurs are shifting away from this mindset by adding players like jefferson and subtracting Bruce Bowen. Will this strategy work however, because going offense vs offense against the Lakers is a bad idea. Spurs can beat the Lakers with their suffocating defense, its how they did in the past.
Its impossible to refute an opinion, jackass.
You play the hand that is dealt to you. Getting RJ makes us better anyways you look at it. Having McDyess in the game vs Bonner is an upgrade. I believe Blair is also going to be a nice suprise for us as will George Hill who is coming into his 2nd season as a professional. Its also my belief that Hairston will be slowly filling the void that is left by Bruce Bowen.
Yes the Spurs might be losing defense and gaining offense, but that doesn't mean they are foresaking defense in any shape or form.
How teams match up are just as important as anything also. I wouldn't put everything on defensive statistics...
Fair enough, because no computer simulation or vegas insider could have ever predicted the Mavs would win 2 road games in 2006 vs the spurs or even last year, using data on the mavs D and the Spurs D.
And this coming from a Memphis fan...
Certainly not busy giving away an all-star for nothing
Decay has crept into the core of the Spurs. This process has been slow, but, undeniable. Natural aging, coupled with continual deep playoff runs have taken a heavy toll. Defense is the usually the initial casualty when this process advances.
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