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Andre Miller is a great player if he's on a team with no expectations like Cleveland or Philly. When he had a good supporting cast (Brand / Maggette / QRich) he was worthless. He wasn't anything special in Denver neither.
A good thing for other teams. Roy in the pick-and-roll is deadly. The Spurs still haven't figured out how to guard the Roy/Aldridge pick-and-rolls.
I really hope they listen to your advice and move him off the ball. Give it to Miller as much as possible. Good ideas.
True, they felt getting a better offensive PG was so important but with Roy it really isn't. Their ideal PG should be a role player who can read defenses well, plays great defense, and is a good spot up shooter.
Their main concern should be low post scoring and better defense.
Andre Miller is a great player if he's on a team with no expectations like Cleveland or Philly. When he had a good supporting cast (Brand / Maggette / QRich) he was worthless. He wasn't anything special in Denver neither.
I didn't even think about that.
Is Andre Miller an upgrade over Steve Blake? I believe the answer is yes.
Does Andre Miller bring some veteran experience to a young team (something they needed)? Yes.
Does he take some pressure off of Brandon Roy as the only true playmaker? Yes.
Is $7 million a year a reasonable salary for a starting point guard? Yes.
You can criticize Andre's Miller game, his lack of range on his jumper, his age, his fit to the Blazers. But, the answers to those above four questions are the reason why Andre Miller is a good pick-up for the Blazers.
I wonder why?
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 07-24-2009 at 05:00 PM.
When the best example to prove a point deals with a player not being able to make the LA Clippers better, pretty much throw out that point.
LOL @ throwing in "Brand, Maggette, QRich"..is that supposed to be an example of a great supporting cast?..Elton, sure, but Maggette and Richardson?!..
Portland was LAST in the NBA in pace, that's how slow they've played..they don't have to become the Suns, like others here have said..if they can get the pace to the middle of the pack, then that's definitely good enough..
People are acting like Miller is supposed to be CP3. He has his flaws. He is not a perfect fit for the Blazers, but he is a good fit imo and fills a need. Hedo would not have been perfect and neither would Millsap.
For the price they paid (I think someone said it was 3 years 22M with a TO in the 3rd year) that is a pretty low risk deal that can help a playoff team elevate. I don't think anyone thinks this makes the Blazers the team to beat, but it makes them better.
No we just don't think he fits with how ball dominant and damn good Brandon Roy is.
It's hard to put together a type of player that would be a perfect fit. But Turkoglu can play off players and still be effective. ( Can hit the spot up jumper from anywhere on the court.) Therefore Hedo would have fit a lot better than Miller. *Hence theres a reason why Portland went after several players including Hedo first and foremost over Milller as timvp stated earlier).
For the price I like this signing. So I agree with that. I just don't agree that his skill-set fits with having Brandon Roy handling the ball. ( Which is and was and still is Portlands most effective weapon offensively). Like I've said a thousand times in this thread, if McMillan takes the ball from Roy in favor of Miller to create then the Blazers are doing the opposition a favor.
That is your opinion and we just have to see how it works out. So are you trying to say that he will kill Roy's game? That a player like Miller cannot play with a versatile guy like a Roy and be effective? He did it with Iggy and Rondo does it with Pierce (even though Pierce is a SF, he still handles the ball)
That is the point. You keep pointing out only the flaws while ignoring the good the Miller brings. Who knows what will show up more? But Miller is a solid pg and upgrade over what they had.It's hard to put together a type of player that would be a perfect fit. But Turkoglu can play off players and still be effective. ( Can hit the spot up jumper from anywhere on the court.) Therefore Hedo would have fit a lot better than Miller. *Hence theres a reason why Portland went after several players including Hedo first and foremost over Milller as timvp stated earlier).
No one is saying that Miller is better than Hedo or Millsap as players right now (but some say those two would not have fit as well as Miller as well...), which is why Miller was the third option in FA. But teams sometimes walk a serendipitous path and missing out on an aging Hedo with a massive 5 year contract could be a good thing.
You are looking at it too cut and dry. If they have another creator and can relieve pressure from Roy and add more talent, they are getting better and more versatile. I fail to see how that is doing other teams a favor. Roy will get it when it counts.For the price I like this signing. So I agree with that. I just don't agree that his skill-set fits with having Brandon Roy handling the ball. ( Which is and was and still is Portlands most effective weapon offensively). Like I've said a thousand times in this thread, if McMillan takes the ball from Roy in favor of Miller to create then the Blazers are doing the opposition a favor.
Not to mention Hedo really has had only 1 really good year and 1 good playoff run and he is 30 years old.
Hedo, for being a shooter, is a career 43% player and he shot only 41% last year.
I'm not sure how I feel about Miller. He can penetrate and dish better than our current 1's, but he can't hit the 3. Should be interesting...
We can still beat anybody else in the league though.
How do you feel about AI? I was talking to a buddy today and I was thinking Portland seemed to be the only place that would really make sense for him.
Do the Blazers have any interest?
don't understand why they couldn't get the often rumored trade for Kirk Hinrich done. Hinrich was bad last year, but he could be a very good fit alongside Roy and might have been able to restart his career.
Nice addition and at a cheap rate. Wow... contract starting at the MLE. This won't have the same effect as the Nuggets getting Billups, but will still be an upgrade to what they currently have without having to trade Bayless away. As others have already said, the only downside is that Miller can't spread the floor in shooting the three. Will be another interesting battle in the West next year with the Lakers, Spurs, Blazers, Mavericks, and Nuggets.
I honestly don't think the Bulls wanted to trade Hinrich with Gordon gone. Besides, their cap room is suppose to be just fine and weren't pressed to make any drastic moves like Utah will need to do.
I doubt it. Didn't you hear? AI doesn't do the bench thing. Besides that, Roy is the starter and they don't want anyone conflicting with the mindset that he is the man at the 2 especially when they are trying to re-sign him.
AI would best fit with the Bobcats since their 2 spot is pretty vacant with Bell as the starter. Everywhere else is a question mark.
Last edited by montgod; 07-24-2009 at 05:37 PM.
Chicago insisted that we give up Bayless. We're not going to do that.
A 39 percent 3 point shooter ( Hedo) is a huge difference than a 21 percent 3 point shooter. (Andre Miller)
Didn't Andre shoot much better from the field and have much better playoff efficiency rating than Hedo as well?
Yes, Hedo is a better 3 point shooter, but a worse finisher at the rim.
bayless can only hope to be what hinrich is right now. another case of an overvalued player from the blazers FO, along with its delusional fans
he will steady the team and make them better. they should be the 4th or 5th best team in the west
I'm just happy the Blazers were stupid enough to not being willing to trade Bayless to get Hinrich. Portland getting Hinrich would have been an amazing move for them imo. Definitely would have made their summer legit but even now getting Miller it was still a failure.
Hinrich would be an "amazing" move, but Miller makes it a failure LOL..
Hinrich is pretty much the exact same player as Blake, except better defensively..he wouldn't be worth giving up Bayless at all..
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