Nash Extension Becomes official

[mojorizen7]

* 10 ^ 10000000000000000000000000

As if Terry Porter was fired for trying to put in a "defensive system".

Thanks for that insight Mr. National talking-head who hasnt watched a single Suns game.

Talking head?
Haven't watched a single game? Thats ignorant.
Porter WAS fired for putting in a defensive,offensively structured system with D'Umbtoni's players that eventually wore on Nashy,the wealthy fanbase and others.
Who's fault is that? Technically it's Kerr's fault for not retooling(trading Nash) the moment D'Umbtoni walked.
It woulda been a PR nightmare initially but would have kept last years team from being set up to fail.

[da_suns_fan]

Talking head?
Haven't watched a single game? Thats ignorant.
Porter WAS fired for putting in a defensive,offensively structured system with D'Umbtoni's players that eventually wore on Nashy and others.
Who's fault is that? Technically it's Kerr's fault for not retooling(trading Nash) the moment D'Umbtoni walked.
It woulda been a PR nightmare initially but would have kept last years team from being set up to fail.

Um...Terry Porter was fired for:

1) Being a horrible communicator (see any interview)
2) Not being able to decide WHAT the team was doing (go fast..no go slow.....now go fast again).
3) General clueless-ness ("Azubike doesnt normally shoot threes")
4) More clueless-ness (Only subs pg for pg, sg for sg etc)
5) Even more clueless-ness (wont make a subs ution NO MATTER WHAT until ten minutes after the game starts and after the third quarter begins)
6) Lack of respect among players (Shaq informing him of when he was going in)

So yeah, when I hear people say that Porter was fired after only half a season because he wanted them to play defense, I immediately assume they hadnt watched a single Suns game the entire season. I know that every fanbase thinks their coach sucks, but this guy was BAD. I mean really, REALLY bad! He had no business getting that job.

Everyone respects Steve Kerr as a smart guy. But after a couple of weeks under Porter, I began to wonder how Steve Kerr could have every possibly thought this guy could coach an NBA team.

btw - I loved you that claimed I just wanted to be fed offense since I wanted to trade Richardson back for Bell and Diaw. That makes sense considering what poor defenders Raja and Diaw were and how awesome a defender Richardson is

Again: * 10 ^ 10000000000000000000000

[da_suns_fan]

7) Running Rip Hamilton "catch and shoot" plays for Leandro Barbosa who is horrible shooting when he doesnt have his feet set. He continued to run this play until he got canned.

8) I was hoping they would hire Paul Silas because I knew he wouldnt be afraid to tear Amare a new one. I was reminded of "my pick" in a game against Denver in which Amare Stoudemire missed a shot inside, and then proceeded to yell at the ref while Kenyon Martin ran the lenght of the court un-touched for a dunk. I was hoping Porter would tear him a new one, but instead he just yelled at the official as well. So basically, this one is "failure to get the players to respect him".

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Terry Porter was a poor defensive coach, DSF is right about that. He deserved to be fired, just not for the reasons he was.

[mojorizen7]

1) Being a horrible communicator (see any interview)

True.

2) Not being able to decide WHAT the team was doing (go fast..no go slow.....now go fast again).

Now why do you think that might have been the case?.....it starts with #13.

3) General clueless-ness ("Azubike doesnt normally shoot threes")

Dumb statement yes. So is this statement: “(Nash) didn't haven't his 'A' game but when it come down to crunch time, we put him on Ben Gordon and I thought he did a terrific job. He's turned into a heck of a defensive player and I'm not saying that tongue in cheek either. The guy has played defense the last couple months as good as anybody.” Who said it? Mike D'Umbtoni. http://thinkexist.com/quotes/mike_d'antoni/

5) Even more clueless-ness (wont make a subs ution NO MATTER WHAT until ten minutes after the game starts and after the third quarter begins)

You're complaining about subs ution patterns now....

6) Lack of respect among players (Shaq informing him of when he was going in)

All it takes is one guy(who's the face of the franchise) to undermine the HC and the rest will follow.

Everyone respects Steve Kerr as a smart guy. But after a couple of weeks under Porter, I began to wonder how Steve Kerr could have every possibly thought this guy could coach an NBA team.

As i stated...Porter was set up to fail by being asked to structure the offense and focus more on defense....with a SSOL roster. I don't know why this monumental FAIL is so hard for you to grasp. I never said Porter was a good coach, we don't know for sure.

btw - I loved you that claimed I just wanted to be fed offense since I wanted to trade Richardson back for Bell and Diaw.

Then deny it and i'll back off. Tell me you're not content with defenseless 50+ and fade basketball built upon the philosophy of SSOL even if it's fun entertainment for the whole family.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Um...when did I say that?

I said that Nash once led the league in charges taken. So while he's a poor one-on-one defender, he at least is willing to sacrifice his body to help his team time and time again.

Thats opposed to Shaq, who stands there in cement boots and might just push you if you get too close. You'll get free throws (and the idiot Suns fans like DUNCANOwnsKobe will cheer in admiration) but at least Shaq looks cool.

Saying Nash is sacrificing to help his team by gambling on defense and going for charges while leaving the player he should be guarding open would be like saying Allen Iverson is helping his team when he goes to gamble for a steal and pad his stats.

So when the guy Nash is guarding drives right by Nash and Shaq isn't able to rotate in time to block his shot, it's Shaq's fault?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Really he is, DUNCAN, it's just not celebrated as such.

From 2000-2002 Fisher was an above average defender. Yes, he was a liability against quick PG's this year, but he's still not as bad a defender as Nash. Don't tell me Billups has the lackluster series he had if Nash is guarding him instead of Fisher.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

BUMP


I'm still waiting for DSF to explain how replacing Shaq with Robin Lopez makes the team better.

[mojorizen7]

BUMP


I'm still waiting for DSF to explain how replacing Shaq with Robin Lopez makes the team better.

BUMP;

I'm still waiting for DSF to deny that he's not a sheep for SSOL defenseless BBall.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DSF puts a Barkley picture in a sig to cover up the fact he's a 2004 bandwagoner.

[pauls931]

Party at DoK's house! Nash is staying!

I am so there!!! Muhahahhaaa!!!!

[da_suns_fan]

DSF puts a Barkley picture in a sig to cover up the fact he's a 2004 bandwagoner.

In 1993, Charles Barkley hit a shot with 0.4 seconds left against the trailblazers to win the game. The play was meant to be a backboard pass from Oliver Miller, but a Sun missed the "tip" and Barkley was able to scoop it up and bounce it off the backboard in one motion.

Tell me who the pass was intended for. Its a very famous play that most Suns fans should know.

Which sports writer wrote "The Barkley Beat" from 93-96?

Who won the Ainge versus Majerle three point shoot-out in 94?

Who blew out Danny Manning's knee?

Who missed a series winning three pointer at the end of regulation in game 5 of the WCSF against Houston (and the Suns lost in OT and eventually the series)?

What was the AZ Republic headline the day Barkley was traded?

What happened in Jason Kidd's first game as a Sun?

Who were the Suns heavily rumored to be targeting before the 98 lockout happened?

Who went to Colorado to try and convince McDyess not to re-sign with the Nuggets?

What was the headline of the AZ Republic when Dice decided to leave?

Which local sport writer wrote an article that the Suns should trade Nash a week before they traded Nash?

What local restaurant did JC take Googliota to sign his 56 million dollar deal? (Hint: It was also recently mentioned by name in the latest Bill Simmons article)

Who blew out Tom Googliota's knee? Who was Tom talking to when he had a siezure? Why did he have a siezure?

What slogan was used extensively to recruit Penny Hardaway?

In 1999, Shawn Marion was being dubbed "The Next (who)"?

Danny Ainge told AZ Republic's Bob Young that they were going to draft (who) in order not to give away that they wanted Marion?

Danny Ainge abruptly quit as coach after a game against what team?

In 2001, Penny Hardaway only played four games. One was on national TV against what team?

Who had a domestic incident first: Penny or Kidd?

Where was Jason Kidd when he learned he had been traded to New Jersey?

Amare Stoudemire scored 39 points his rookie season against what team?

In 2003, who hit a hook shot over Tim Duncan to win game 4 of the first round series between Phoenix and San Antonio?

Please answer these questions, DUNCANOwnsKobe, or STFU!

I know Cubby will probably get most of them. Then again, he's not some stupid kid running his mouth calling others "2004 bandwagoners".

Moron.

[da_suns_fan]

BUMP;

I'm still waiting for DSF to deny that he's not a sheep for SSOL defenseless BBall.

Im still waiting for you to explain how wanting Diaw and Bell back for Jason richardson makes me a sheep for SSOL defenseless BBall?

btw - Kurt Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell and even Boris Diaw were good defenders. So was Joe Johnson.

You cant win 61 games playing no defense. Obviously D'Antoni never stressed it, but the Suns USED to have good defenders on the team before Steve Kerr came along.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

In 1993, Charles Barkley hit a shot with 0.4 seconds left against the trailblazers to win the game. The play was meant to be a backboard pass from Oliver Miller, but a Sun missed the "tip" and Barkley was able to scoop it up and bounce it off the backboard in one motion.

Tell me who the pass was intended for. Its a very famous play that most Suns fans should know.

Which sports writer wrote "The Barkley Beat" from 93-96?

Who won the Ainge versus Majerle three point shoot-out in 94?

Who blew out Danny Manning's knee?

Who missed a series winning three pointer at the end of regulation in game 5 of the WCSF against Houston (and the Suns lost in OT and eventually the series)?

What was the AZ Republic headline the day Barkley was traded?

What happened in Jason Kidd's first game as a Sun?

Who were the Suns heavily rumored to be targeting before the 98 lockout happened?

Who went to Colorado to try and convince McDyess not to re-sign with the Nuggets?

What was the headline of the AZ Republic when Dice decided to leave?

Which local sport writer wrote an article that the Suns should trade Nash a week before they traded Nash?

What local restaurant did JC take Googliota to sign his 56 million dollar deal? (Hint: It was also recently mentioned by name in the latest Bill Simmons article)

Who blew out Tom Googliota's knee? Who was Tom talking to when he had a siezure? Why did he have a siezure?

What slogan was used extensively to recruit Penny Hardaway?

In 1999, Shawn Marion was being dubbed "The Next (who)"?

Danny Ainge told AZ Republic's Bob Young that they were going to draft (who) in order not to give away that they wanted Marion?

Danny Ainge abruptly quit as coach after a game against what team?

In 2001, Penny Hardaway only played four games. One was on national TV against what team?

Who had a domestic incident first: Penny or Kidd?

Where was Jason Kidd when he learned he had been traded to New Jersey?

Amare Stoudemire scored 39 points his rookie season against what team?

In 2003, who hit a hook shot over Tim Duncan to win game 4 of the first round series between Phoenix and San Antonio?

Please answer these questions, DUNCANOwnsKobe, or STFU!

I know Cubby will probably get most of them. Then again, he's not some stupid kid running his mouth calling others "2004 bandwagoners".

Moron.

Most of them were before my time, so of course I can't answer most of those.

And worthless trivia is pointless. Just cause I happen to know Boston was the first NBA team to start 5 black players in one game doesn't make me a die hard Celtics fan.

Who is the Suns all time leading scorer?

PS - Still waiting for you to justify the whole Robin Lopez > Shaq argument.

[Findog]

Watching Suns fans devour their own is extremely entertaining.

[da_suns_fan]

Most of them were before my time, so of course I can't answer most of those.

And worthless trivia is pointless. Just cause I happen to know Boston was the first NBA team to start 5 black players in one game doesn't make me a die hard Celtics fan.

Who is the Suns all time leading scorer?

PS - Still waiting for you to justify the whole Robin Lopez > Shaq argument.

ANYONE could look up Suns statistics and answer YOUR question (its Walter Davis, btw...I actually saw him play and I could tell you the retired his number in a game against the Nuggets).

But try answering some of MINE. I never asked for any stupid statistics.

Please, just answer one. Or admit that its really YOU who are the 2004 bandwagoner .
Oh, and I already explained why trading Shaq was an addition by subtraction.

[Findog]

Hey, at least you guys stole Steve Nash from us. So you have that going for you...

[da_suns_fan]

Watching Suns fans devour their own is extremely entertaining.

This kid is a ing joke. Worse than Monos, Stretch, O-Factor, ATrain and even...what was his name....Johnny Ringo!

He dares call ME a 2004 bandwagoner? The ing kid wasnt even around when KJ and Chambers were playing at the old Veterans Memorial Coliseum and he calls me a 2004 bandwagoner?

I had to put him in his place.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You cant win 61 games playing no defense.

A lot of the Suns defense was their offense because it tricked bad, undisciplined teams into taking stupid shots. The 2005-2007 era was also incredibly weak, that 2007 Suns team wouldn't sniff 61 wins in today's NBA.

The defense has gotten worse, I agree, but Kerr wasn't trading 2006 or 2007 Bell, he was trading the Raja Bell that was getting lit up by every SG he played leading up to the trade. He was also trading the Bell that demanded a trade.

Kurt Thomas was not Kerr's fault. It was D'antoni and Sarver's fault. D'antoni made it pretty clear he didn't like using Kurt Thomas at all.

JJ was Colangelo and Sarver's fault. It def. wasn't Kerr's fault.


The common denominator behind all of this was Sarver, so I blame him.

[Findog]

This kid is a ing joke. Worse than Monos, Stretch, O-Factor, ATrain and even...what was his name....Johnny Ringo!

He dares call ME a 2004 bandwagoner? The ing kid wasnt even around when KJ and Chambers were playing at the old Veterans Memorial Coliseum and he calls me a 2004 bandwagoner?

I had to put him in his place.

You're both frustrated at the recent fortunes of your franchise. That's obvious. The fact that you're both still posting shows that you care about your team when they're down and not just when they win, so a little funny to see you two get into a pissing match over who has more "real fan" cred...You should be buddies.

[dirk4mvp]

Hey, at least you guys stole Steve Nash from us. So you have that going for you...

Mav fan unity is impenetrable . . . except for mavfan1000.

[da_suns_fan]

A lot of the Suns defense was their offense because it tricked bad, undisciplined teams into taking stupid shots. The 2005-2007 era was also incredibly weak, that 2007 Suns team wouldn't sniff 61 wins in today's NBA.

The defense has gotten worse, I agree, but Kerr wasn't trading 2006 or 2007 Bell, he was trading the Raja Bell that was getting lit up by every SG he played leading up to the trade. He was also trading the Bell that demanded a trade.

Kurt Thomas was not Kerr's fault. It was D'antoni and Sarver's fault. D'antoni made it pretty clear he didn't like using Kurt Thomas at all.

JJ was Colangelo and Sarver's fault. It def. wasn't Kerr's fault.


The common denominator behind all of this was Sarver, so I blame him.

Umm......okay. I dont know where that came from.

Answer one of my "Prove youre a real Suns fan" questions, please.

At least the Restaurant/Bill Simmons one. I gave you a huge freaking hint!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

(its Walter Davis, btw...I actually saw him play and I could tell you the retired his number in a game against the Nuggets).

Then I apologize. That question separates the 2004 bandwagoners from the real fans.

[EmantheSpursFan]

Watching Suns fans devour their own is extremely entertaining.

+1
haha i was thinking the same thing!!

[da_suns_fan]

You're both frustrated at the recent fortunes of your franchise. That's obvious. The fact that you're both still posting shows that you care about your team when they're down and not just when they win, so a little funny to see you two get into a pissing match over who has more "real fan" cred...You should be buddies.

I didnt question his "cred". Anyone who wants to be a Suns fan should be a Suns fan.

But he dares call me a "bandwagon" fan when he doesnt have the slightest clue what hes talking about.