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That guy's not a Mav fan.
The Suns were an average defensive team at best. They weren't horrible when they had Kurt Thomas. And they won games by increasing # of possessions, where their offensive efficiency usually prevailed. The Spurs were just a bad matchup for them, and they kept running into them in the playoffs. Had they gotten a little luck in playoff assignments, they could've won a le. But since they kept running into San Antonio, going after Shaq and trying to address their matchup issues with the Spurs was a worthy gamble.
I think they would've had a decent shot to beat Miami in 2006 if they were healthy.
That guy's not a Mav fan.
Not true. Mono and I teamed up against Findog in pick up basketball once.
I would agree with everything here.
I dont like Jason Richardson and feel that everything he does for the Suns is already done by Leandro Barbosa (who does it for half as much). I wish they could trade him back for Boris (who is soft, but still has a phenomenal BBall IQ for a big man which we are desperate for now) and Raja Bell (who is declining but is CHEAP and still plays with heart).
Mojorizen7 claimed that this meant I was a sheep for SSOL which doesnt make any sense considering Richardson is a much worse defender than either Bell or Diaw.
I dont know these two and I dont think I want to know them. Maybe I'll just go back to phxsuns.net.
You should stick around regardless. There's good discussion here. Those two guys are good posters too, it just looks like a personality conflict.
Can I broker a peace between warring factions of Suns fans????
Stay tuned...
These are the questions that weren't before my time:
Ainge quit against the Mavericks.
The only team I remember Hardaway playing against that season was against Dallas, so that's my guess.
I believe Hardaway did first when he threatened his girlfriend with a gun.
And I honestly don't remember the Kidd thing. All I remember was crying like a pussy cause Kidd had been my favorite player since I started watching.
Amare had that game against Minnesota. It was 38 points btw.
This last question really bothers me. I thought Starbury hit a game winning three to win that game? I'm truly embarrassed if I don't remember that game right.
Something you and I agree on.
Awww, they're being nice to one another....
Did Jake Voskuhl hit a game-winner against the Spurs in 2003?
I was wrong, my bad. Most people that think Bryan Colangelo was a great GM are generally bandwagoners.
So does this mean no/limited Dragic?
Nash says Shaq will fit right in with LeBron
By Rachel Cohen
One NBA star who has played with Shaquille O誰eal thinks the 37-year-old center will fit in just fine with LeBron James.
Two-time MVP Steve Nash told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he thinks O誰eal understands he is isn稚 in the prime of his career and will have to share the spotlight.
Nash痴 Phoenix Suns traded O誰eal to the Cleveland Cavaliers last month, where he値l looks to bring James his first championship.
Nash says O誰eal is still a great player but James is going to be the focal point.
DSF....i spend alot of time on an AZ SUNS board and i've identified a whole herd of sheep for SSOL over there......so please don't feel singled out my brutha.
I don't like JRich either(he's anti-clutch if you know what i mean) but Raja's skills as a lockdown defender were seriously beginning to erode and his shot was as streaky as ever......he became an all hustle guy IMO.....sort of like Majerle did late in his career.
We definately disagree on philosophy so lets just accept that.
Nash is the last head on the SSOL snake that just won't die and it pains me.
Damn, did you start following the suns in 2004? BTW Kidd and I thinking Manning went to denver to try to retrieve that traitor McDyess....
lol Suns fan that's never lived in Phoenix.
I'd feel bad if that came from a real suns fan.
Have you even ever been to Phoenix?
lol "fan" of a team but not caring if they win a championship or not.
mono has gone since dude lost a bet about Gortat, on which mono bet the Magic wouldn't match the contract Donnie offered Gortat. Then dude hasn't posted ever since, though there are rumors dude is still posting on spurstalk under some troll names.Not true. Mono and I teamed up against Findog in pick up basketball once.
All in all, Mono actually is an honest man that follows what a bet requires, unlike some punk from Rockets fan base that continued to post one after another after losing a similar bet.
Hmmm...I remember George McCloud and Rex Chapman going. Maybe Kidd, too.
EDIT: Yep, it was the three of them. Here's the story from the Detroit News, told recently:
LOL. I still remember that crazy night, getting updates on KTAR.It was January of 1999, and the lockout-shortened season was about to start. McDyess, who had played in Phoenix the previous season, was a free agent about to sign with Denver, his first NBA team.
"I didn't want to sign there," said McDyess, a forward. "I sort of had an in-between mind at that point."
Problem was, he had given a verbal commitment to the Nuggets, and they had flown him in on the eve of training camp to sign the contract.
"When I got to Denver, I just felt like that wasn't the place for me," he said. "So I called Jason Kidd (his teammate in Phoenix the previous season) and told him, 'I don't know if I want to sign here, man.' He said, 'Just stay right there and don't do nothing you don't want to do. I will be there soon.' "
Kidd, along with Suns teammates George McCloud and Rex Chapman, chartered a plane and flew through a blizzard into Denver that night.
"I was at a (Colorado Avalanche) hockey game (in the owner's suite) and I wasn't going to sign until they got there," McDyess said.
But McDyess said Dan Issel, Denver's coach and general manager at the time, knew Kidd's rescue party was on the way, and instructed security and ticket sellers at McNichols Arena to keep Kidd and company out of the building.
"I mean, it was a blizzard outside, and they wouldn't let those guys inside the arena. They kept them out in the snow," McDyess said. "It was crazy times."
McDyess, true to his character, honored his verbal commitment to the Nuggets and played four more seasons with them. But he's always regretted the decision he made on that snowy night.
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2008/12/...mcdyess-did-no
Last edited by Jeremy; 07-29-2009 at 12:43 AM.
Nash deal shouldn't be criticized
With Steve Nash and Grant Hill, there could be no better duo to mentor and shape a new era of Suns basketball.
by Dan Bickley - Jul. 28, 2009 07:48 PM
The Arizona Republic
Go ahead. Tear down Steve Nash. Pick apart his defense. Question his value. Show your ignorance to the rest of the basketball world.
Three years ago, Nash became the only two-time NBA MVP in the history of the Suns. Considering his stature and physical limitations, it was one of the more-remarkable feats in league history. Everyone in Arizona loved him back then.
Now, many fans seem to think he's overpaid, overrated and a bad investment for a team with zero chance to win a championship in the near future. Some even call him a liability.
These are the same people who drove Mike D'Antoni to the brink of insanity.
"I feel as fit and as athletic as I've ever been," Nash said.
When Nash agreed to a two-year extension with the Suns, the skepticism began anew. Nash was giving up his last chance to chase that elusive NBA championship. He was returning to a team where cost control trumps all, a diminished outfit now parked outside the circle of contenders.
Nash cited a love of community and organization, and surely, many die-hards and blue-hairs want to give the point guard a big hug. But others questioned his compe ive zeal, as if this were proof of some flaw in his athletic genetic code.
Randy Johnson heard the same things when he signed with the Diamondbacks in 1999, and in 2001, he was holding up a championship trophy.
Granted, there will be no such ending for Nash. Unless he is traded, he will join the fraternity of impact players who never won a le, a list that includes Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton and Patrick Ewing. That notoriety will follow him for the rest of his life, and on some level, it has to sting.
"You know what? I enjoy life too much to look back a lot," Nash said of the past five years. "I have too much to look forward to each day, too much left to accomplish and work for. Yeah, it's a shame and it hurts, if I take a minute to stop and think about it. But I don't really have any regrets, and I look forward to continuing to improve and being part of a great environment and a great team."
That isn't exactly true. Occasionally, Nash can get bitter, just like the rest of us: "No one gave us Pau Gasol for nothing," he said.
Nash isn't a charity worker, either, and maybe money has a lot to do with this. Maybe Nash wasn't going to command a $22 million extension anywhere else, and maybe his future options were limited. But in the end, he didn't have to commit to a rebuilding project in Phoenix. Same goes for Grant Hill, who brushed off an insulting initial offer from the team and signed on anyway.
For a franchise that already is on tenuous ground, the net effect is enormous.
Bash Nash, if you must. Like everyone else, he gets burned by the best point guards in the league. But he takes more charges than anyone in the building. His dedication to training and team-building are unquestioned, maybe unparalleled. Meanwhile, his performance clearly was hampered last season by the demands of Shaquille O'Neal, and the awkward attempts to implement a new system.
But just like Kurt Warner, Nash can work magic in the right system, with the right group of guys. And in one of their darker hours, the Suns now are in the hands of two great sportsmen, two men who sated their egos a long time ago.
With Nash and Hill, there could be no better duo to mentor and shape a new era of Suns basketball. For that, Valley fans should feel lucky. It could be a lot worse.
I love Bickley(especially because i can always count on him for the "blue-hairs" reference
Comparing the first Randy Johnson signing in '99....? Lets compare it to the second time RJ came to PHX....thats more accurate.
ANd I don't question Nashy's compe ive zeal either....i'm just SICK AND ING TIRED of SSOL and pathetic defense.
That last line about Nash & Hill shaping the SUNS future?...?!
Hey DoK, is there any room on that OKC bandwagon thats loading up?
I've put in 20 years with this franchise....I've believed in, and supported everything they've ever done(including D'Antoni's phony gimmickry) right up until the KT/2 first rd picks to Portland for cash trade.....
I'm t...h....i.....s....... ing close to pulling a Matt Dillon at the end of "The Outsiders."
Ya, I was still in college when that happened. That killed me since McDyess was essentially the Amare of the league back then possesing size and athleticism. I'm amazed he's still around, though a distant shadow of his former self.
I can't remember the game, but there was one awesome play where Manning received a pass in the key facing the basket and then did a reverse scoop shot sending the ball behind him. Then frickin' mcdyess comes out of no where and catches it for the jam.
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