Spurs.com: Tony Parker Injury Update

[ducks]

if it is ok for the top 8 players to play for their countries why not the rest of them

if the 13 guy can play then the other ones should be allowed to


oh and duncan and manu played for their countries so if tp can not
according to your logic it is because he is the best on the team

[DPG21920]

It's sure that TP saying you to the whole Spurs organization wouldn't have break something in his relationship with Spurs...
TP spend months with Spurs, it's in his interest that he spend that time in a good mood.

But on the reverse side, the Spurs seemed to think it was ok to say " you" to TP? Is not the relationship mutual?

To be conflict there has to be effects on both ends. If the Spurs make TP come back against his will or wishes, you said he "might not re-sign because of it". That would be an effect.

If TP says I will not come back, the Spurs will not punish him at all. Unless he gets hurt, like Manu. He would still get an offer and play all the minutes and be the new franchise player.

[Freeze]

French Staf knows that NBA teams are more than reluctent to allow their players to play for their countries during summers, despite the NBA/FIBA rules. As many French players plays in NBA, they are willing to do almost anything to maintain the best relationships as possible with them.
Best example is Noah.
French NT needs him, he wanted to stay, but Chicago wanted him to builk up this summer. So Noah left France after 2 weeks and came back to Chicago. Now Bulls' GM is saying that is Noah's choice. It's not true, but he knows he can't say anything else because of the rule. France can't do anything because they want to please the Bulls wishing to be able to get Noah for the next years. And Noah needs to please his team to get a bigger role in the Franchise, and get an extention next year.

In fact, going against the Franchise will could be more prejudiciable for the players than for the French NT.

[Freeze]

But on the reverse side, the Spurs seemed to think it was ok to say " you" to TP? Is not the relationship mutual?

To be conflict there has to be effects on both ends. If the Spurs make TP come back against his will or wishes, you said he "might not re-sign because of it". That would be an effect.

If TP says I will not come back, the Spurs will not punish him at all. Unless he gets hurt, like Manu. He would still get an offer and play all the minutes and be the new franchise player.

Don't forget Ian is already a Spur, and Nando may soon be one as well.

French NT staff is in need of good relationships with Spurs.

[Mel_13]

First, I disagree with the prisoner le.
Now, Parker himself used the world "order". Now Spurs put a lot pressure on Parker with Holt himself saying Parker to come back.
Parker had the right to say " you, Holt, I'm staying in France". Was it a realistic and smart option? No.



Well, it's a personal choice. A player like Garbajosa put national pride over financial gain and went in open conflict with Raptors despite beign a marginal player.
And the NBA for most of the players is also a dream, there are more than just the financial aspect of it.

I'm not sure how much we disagree on this. We both acknowledge that in these cases the player makes the final decision.

The system as it currently exists is, at the very least, problematic for the club teams. The normal risks associated with all international tournaments fall disproportionately on the club teams. Especially teams with star players on long-term guaranteed contracts. Even more so a team like the Spurs with multiple star players on long-term deals. The subject was addressed at the NBA meetings before the 2008-09 season, but no changes were made.

http://www.reuters.com/article/olymp...37113520081023

Going forward, it would seem that some compromise to limit risk to the club teams should be possible.

[timaios]

A qualifying game for an Euro tournament is not war.
It's totally irrelevant.
France has ZERO possibilities to even make the semis in the Euro.

With or without Parker.

He knows that, they know that, Spurs know that, the whole world knows that.

France record since 1999 :

1999 European Championship : 4th place.
2000 Olympic Games : 2nd (Silver medal).
2001 European Championship : 6th place.
2003 European Championship : 4th place.
2005 European Championship : 3rd place.
2006 FIBA World Championship : 5th place.

The last 3-4 years, the French NT can't play with his best players, because the NBA clubs... well, you know.

And then, there's guys like you who have never watched a French NT game, and they say : French NT sucks !

It's not true, this is a great generation and with all his best players, that team could be terrific.

[Bruno]

But on the reverse side, the Spurs seemed to think it was ok to say " you" to TP? Is not the relationship mutual?

Every relationship is made of compromise.

Parker has played for five consecutive years with his NT despite Spurs not liking it. Spurs have dealt with that. They weren't ready with the compromise of him staying in France, so they put pressure on him.

If TP says I will not come back, the Spurs will not punish him at all. Unless he gets hurt, like Manu. He would still get an offer and play all the minutes and be the new franchise player.

Once again, TP don't live on a island. He has a relationship with the team. He has something to loose.

[ducks]

you know
sometimes in a relationship you have to compromise

if you do not like in a husband and wife relationship
you will not get laid

[timvp]

What happened with Parker's finger is that Tony wanted to play through it.
French NT medical staff gives him the green light to do some tries with a splint during a practice. All the rest are lies.

What is with you pulling the "lies" card? You are turning into a combination of kace and KBP.

I'm not going to call you a liar but I will say what I quoted above is inaccurate. Don't believe me? Here's information straight from Parker:

Parker said French officials wanted him to try to play with a cast on his finger. Parker was open to the idea until he tried practicing and struggled to shoot. His finger, he said, hurt considerably.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48636

Exactly what I said. The French NT tried to push Parker into playing with a broken f'kn finger. Parker only tried to play because the NT was pushing him. It wasn't until Pop called and cussed out everyone who has ever played French basketball did the NT drop the issue and let Parker go back to San Antonio.

I know this will make Bruno/kace/KBP call me a liar but all I offer are facts straight from Parker himself.

Parker said X-rays taken Monday during an examination by Spurs doctors revealed that the bone had shifted some since his finger was initially X-rayed in Japan late last week. Parker will have to wear a splint on the finger for at least four weeks to keep it immobilized.

Spurs physician David Schmidt "told me if I get hit again on the finger, I'll probably need surgery," Parker said.

Cleveland guard Larry Hughes was sidelined for three months last season after having surgery to repair his broken right middle finger.

So the French NT wanted Parker to play with a broken finger that had actually gotten worse. And BTW, the French NT originally classified it as a jammed finger, then a sprained finger and then finally a broken finger. But the broken finger diagnosis didn't stop the NT from trying to force Parker to play.

And here's some proof you can't always believe what we read in the French media:

In an interview with France's sports daily, "L'Equipe," last week, Parker was quoted as saying he decided not to play, in part, because he was fearful the Spurs would prevent their 2005 first-round pick, Ian Mahinmi, from competing for the French national team in the future.

Spurs officials "were shouting at me: 'TP you are crazy. You are not being reasonable. You can't play with a broken finger!'" Parker said in the interview. "Had I played they could really have got on the back of the French national team, not just me, but as regards to Ian Mahinmi, for example, as well."

Parker said Tuesday he didn't mention Mahinmi and was only trying to express the importance of maintaining a good relationship between Spurs officials and France's national team.

So Parker himself basically said L'Equipe lied and misquoted him. kace owes an apology to someone in this thread. And Bruno/kace/KBP can now admit what I've said all along about Parker's finger is fact.

Thanks.

[timvp]

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[Bruno]

I'm not sure how much we disagree on this. We both acknowledge that in these cases the player makes the final decision.

Well, if you acknowledge that franchise also have an impact on what the player choice, we agree.

The whole NT thing fall into a gray zone with NBA teams violating rules without being sanctioned. Rules needs to be changed and strictly applied.

The system as it currently exists is, at the very least, problematic for the club teams. The normal risks associated with all international tournaments fall disproportionately on the club teams. Especially teams with star players on long-term guaranteed contracts. Even more so a team like the Spurs with multiple star players on long-term deals. The subject was addressed at the NBA meetings before the 2008-09 season, but no changes were made.

NT must pay insurances for players. If a player is injured during a NT game, his salary is paid by the insurance.

[DPG21920]

Once again, TP don't live on a island. He has a relationship with the team. He has something to loose.

No, he lives in the real world. The real world where the relationship is solid and if TP truly felt he was ok, he knows he really had nothing to loose except for some short-term hurt feelings.

You are making assumptions that "he might not re-sign because of this" and "he has something to loose". They all seem far fetched is the point and TP truly holds all of the cards.

He can do what he wants, and doing something the Spurs might not like is not the same as saying " you". It is about being mature enough to make smart decisions.

[Rogue]

you know
sometimes in a relationship you have to compromise

if you do not like in a husband and wife relationship
you will not get laid

You don't have to get married to have a kid, not to mention getting laid only. The conventional rules belonged to the 16th century Europe and have already been outraced by the time. Sexing is just a common behavior of humans driven by their instinct appe e, just like any other thing like eating and sleeping.

You don't have to stick to a relationship you don't like. I mean Tony Longoria should have learned to say no to the invitations from his national team, the rest of a full summer will certainly make him more energetic for the upcoming NBA season. NBA players have the rights to enjoy this summer on vacation instead of working their butts off under the fire ball. They Spurs would get into tons of troubles in the NBA season if TL happened to get injured, and it also wouldn't be a good news for french NT either.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There is a difference between FIBA and the olympics. Manu did the right thing and only played for the Olympic team and let the ARG team get an olympic slot without him. TP should do the same.

WTF? The Olympics is controlled by FIBA dumb ass.

[Bruno]

timvppp with the weak come back.

Don't believe me? Here's information straight from Parker:

Straight from Ludden aka Spurs PR guy and a Parker hater.

So the French NT wanted Parker to play with a broken finger that had actually gotten worse. And BTW, the French NT originally classified it as a jammed finger, then a sprained finger and then finally a broken finger.

You came back with that stupidity. French NT had to travel after that game and they haven't access to X-Rays after the game. Is timvppp blaming French doctors not to have X-Rays eyes?

So Parker himself basically said L'Equipe lied and misquoted him. kace owes an apology to someone in this thread. And Bruno/kace/KBP can now admit what I've said all along about Parker's finger is fact.

Thanks.

So because "L'Equipe" misquoted him one time, an article published the official website of the France NT is BS. Do you have a more ridiculous argument ?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

France record since 1999 :

1999 European Championship : 4th place.
2000 Olympic Games : 2nd (Silver medal).
2001 European Championship : 6th place.
2003 European Championship : 4th place.
2005 European Championship : 3rd place.
2006 FIBA World Championship : 5th place.

The last 3-4 years, the French NT can't play with his best players, because the NBA clubs... well, you know.

And then, there's guys like you who have never watched a French NT game, and they say : French NT sucks !

It's not true, this is a great generation and with all his best players, that team could be terrific.

Spain
Greece
Slovenia
Lithuania
Croatia

They all have stronger rosters right now even with teams like Lithuania and Greece losing bunches of starters and rotation players they still have better rosters.

Serbia also has a better roster but they are a very young club so who knows how they would play. Turkey and Russia are debatable probably about tin the same level as France's roster.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Wow... all this for a broken finger?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What is with you pulling the "lies" card? You are turning into a combination of kace and KBP.

I'm not going to call you a liar but I will say what I quoted above is inaccurate. Don't believe me? Here's information straight from Parker:



Exactly what I said. The French NT tried to push Parker into playing with a broken f'kn finger. Parker only tried to play because the NT was pushing him. It wasn't until Pop called and cussed out everyone who has ever played French basketball did the NT drop the issue and let Parker go back to San Antonio.

I know this will make Bruno/kace/KBP call me a liar but all I offer are facts straight from Parker himself.



So the French NT wanted Parker to play with a broken finger that had actually gotten worse. And BTW, the French NT originally classified it as a jammed finger, then a sprained finger and then finally a broken finger. But the broken finger diagnosis didn't stop the NT from trying to force Parker to play.

And here's some proof you can't always believe what we read in the French media:



So Parker himself basically said L'Equipe lied and misquoted him. kace owes an apology to someone in this thread. And Bruno/kace/KBP can now admit what I've said all along about Parker's finger is fact.

Thanks.

I NEVER argued anything about Parker's finger. You have me confused with someone else.

[Mel_13]

Well, if you acknowledge that franchise also have an impact on what the player choice, we agree.

The whole NT thing fall into a gray zone with NBA teams violating rules without being sanctioned. Rules needs to be changed and strictly applied.



NT must pay insurances for players. If a player is injured during a NT game, his salary is paid by the insurance.

I know about the insurance, but for a club team with championship aspirations it is more about the loss of services. As you well know, if a key player is sidelined for an extended period, most top teams have no way to replace that talent. And while there are provisions in the CBA to provide cap relief in the case of a player with a career-ending injury, there is no such relief for a team which has a player who suffers an injury which reduces his skill level from all-star to benchwarmer.

I don't believe this situation will become much better unless there are some limits placed on how frequently a player can play for his NT. It would also help if any future compromise were written into the CBA. I have checked the usual resources and it seems that this is not currently the case. As best I can tell, the NBA has entered into an international legal agreement with FIBA and has imposed the provisions of that agreement as a league policy. If the details of player participation were collectively bargained and included in the next CBA, much of the gray area you mentioned would disappear.

[timvp]

timvppp with the weak come back.

Whatever you say KaceBP.

Straight from Ludden aka Spurs PR guy and a Parker hater.

Parker said French officials wanted him to try to play with a cast on his finger. Parker was open to the idea until he tried practicing and struggled to shoot. His finger, he said, hurt considerably.

What part of PARKER SAID do you not understand? That isn't Ludden making a guess. That is Ludden relaying what Parker said.

And at trying to say Ludden doesn't know what he's talking about. Ludden is the best source for Spurs news in the history of the internets.

You came back with that stupidity. French NT had to travel after that game and they haven't access to X-Rays after the game. Is timvppp blaming French doctors not to have X-Rays eyes?

How does that excuse the NT for trying to force Parker to play with a broken finger?

So because "L'Equipe" misquoted him one time, an article published the official website of the France NT is BS. Do you have a more ridiculous argument ?

@ KaceBP.

Yeah, it's a ridiculous argument to get information straight from Parker himself. Let me instead rely on some third hand information about Parker from some French NT GM who heard Parker talking on the phone threw a bathroom door and then told some unknown French reporter who then wrote it on an obscure website. Great idea.

Just admit the French NT made this bed of deceit. Now the NT has to lay in it.

@ Parker wanted to play and the NT gave him the green light when Parker said the exact opposite.

[timaios]

Spain
Greece
Slovenia
Lithuania
Croatia

They all have stronger rosters right now even with teams like Lithuania and Greece losing bunches of starters and rotation players they still have better rosters.

Serbia also has a better roster but they are a very young club so who knows how they would play. Turkey and Russia are debatable probably about tin the same level as France's roster.

With Parker, M.Pietrus & Noah, France could be 1 of the top 3 european team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Italy's best play maker Stefano Mancinelli might be suspended by FIBA. So France is getting a big break if he is suspended.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

With Parker, M.Pietrus & Noah, France could be 1 of the top 3 european team.

No. I was talking about the roster rank WITH those players.

With those players

Spain
Greece
Lithuania
Slovenia
Croatia

They are all better teams regardless. Serbia also has a better roster but they are too young and so France would beat them I think.

[sonic21]

No. I was talking about the roster rank WITH those players.

With those players

Spain
Greece
Lithuania
Slovenia
Croatia

They are all better teams regardless. Serbia also has a better roster but they are too young and so France would beat them I think.

Croatia? slovenia?

wtf

[Tully365]

Pro basketball players shouldn't play for national teams. Period.

Who should play then? If the USA's team was made up of college players, their agents, college coaches, and other representatives would say it's unfair that guys who haven't made their money in the pros yet should have to risk career ending injuries while playing for nothing. At this point, pros on National Teams are a given, and I doubt that will change.