Can we finally call Matt Leinart are complete bust?

[IronMexican]

After the year they had last year you still put Cutler ahead of Rivers?

That was the toughest call for me. I still think Cutler is better, by the slightest of margins, though. Plus, he has 2 years less experience.

[PaulGreco]

Romo has also always had a very good run game.

Mex, again based on what facts pal.

From 2005-2007 the Jailngles had Rudi Johnson had two 1,000 yd season, rushing for 1458 (2005), 1309 (2006) -- over 2005-2007 the Jailngle combined to rush for 5,096 yds, 39 TD's

The Cowboys from 2006-2007 had 1,000 yard rusher over that time (2006) Julius Jones -- 1084. Over those three years the Cowboys combined to rush for 5,405 yds, 47 TD's

More TD's ok...most came from instead the 5-yd line. But to say Romo has always had a very good run game, when over the three year span the Cowboys rushed for 309 more yds, doesn't really indicate a better rushing game in my opinion.

PaulGreco, what does your top 10 qbs look like?

Dirk based on the projections (based on yards, TD, INTs) that I have for QB's going into this season this is how I have my Top 10 QB's

1. Drew Brees (4,100 yds - 33 - 14)
2. Tom Brady (4,300 yds - 30 - 17)
3. Peyton Manning (3,900 - 30 - 14)
4. Aaron Rogers (3,800 - 27 -15)
5. Philip Rivers (3,700 -27 -14)
6. Donovan McNabb (3,600 - 26 -15)
7. Kurt Warner (3,600 - 26 - 16)
8. Tony Romo (3,700 - 27 -18)
9. Jay Cutler (3.600 - 24 -16)
10. Matt Schaub (3,700 - 22 - 17)

I have Palmer right now at 15 : (3, 500 - 22 - 16)

--PG

[samikeyp]

Curious...when a Cowboy QB does well its because of all that are around him...when others do well, its because of them.

[IronMexican]

You think Rudi Johnson is a bigger threat than Julius Jones, Marion Barber, or Felix Jones? I'd probably take Tashard Choice over Johnson.

[samikeyp]

For me, when all are healthy:

Brady
Peyton
Brees
McNabb
Rivers
Warner
Palmer
Eli
Romo
Cutler

[dirk4mvp]

Based off projections?

So if you had to win a game tomorrow, you'd take Schaub over Palmer?

[dirk4mvp]

Curious...when a Cowboy QB does well its because of all that are around him...when others do well, its because of them.

It doesn't hurt if you team is stacked with pro bowlers.

[samikeyp]

You think Rudi Johnson is a bigger threat than Julius Jones, Marion Barber, or Felix Jones? I'd probably take Tashard Choice over Johnson.

When his mind was right...I would take Rudi over Choice and Julius.

IMO, Felix could be better than all of the above if he can stay healthy.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Based off projections?

So if you had to win a game tomorrow, you'd take Schaub over Palmer?

I'd take Schaub over Joe Montana.

[IronMexican]

When his mind was right...I would take Rudi over Choice and Julius.

IMO, Felix could be better than all of the above if he can stay healthy.

Keep in mind that Romo also had at least 2 of these players at once all the time.

[samikeyp]

It doesn't hurt if you team is stacked with pro bowlers.

No but other teams have had success like that yet don't get called out for it.

It's all good though. That's football.



Personally, I love talking about it again and cannot wait for the season to start.

[samikeyp]

Keep in mind that Romo also had at least 2 of these players at once all the time.

he never had Choice or Felix with Julius. He left before they got there.

[IronMexican]

he never had Choice or Felix with Julius. He left before they got there.

I meant Barber, Jones, Choice and Jones. He has always had at least 2 of these players.

[samikeyp]

I meant Barber, Jones, Choice and Jones. He has always had at least 2 of these players.

I know...I was ing with you.

I will ask this though. You don't like Dallas or Romo, which is cool. I am not going to go all Spursfan9021Ho on you and whine about you not liking my team. However, if Romo has a good year this year, will you acknowledge it or will you be like Pandaspur, JGW, Ducks and others who if Romo threw for 5000 yds, 40tds, 2 ints, won league MVP and the Super Bowl while going 19-0, then cured cancer, aids and world hunger, would point out the 2 ints?

[Dr. Gonzo]

It depends on whether the 2 ints were in December, which I'm sure they would be.

[dirk4mvp]

I know...I was ing with you.

I will ask this though. You don't like Dallas or Romo, which is cool. I am not going to go all Spursfan9021Ho on you and whine about you not liking my team. However, if Romo has a good year this year, will you acknowledge it or will you be like Pandaspur, JGW, Ducks and others who if Romo threw for 5000 yds, 40tds, 2 ints, won league MVP and the Super Bowl while going 19-0, then cured cancer, aids and world hunger, would point out the 2 ints?

Tim Tebow's already done these things. Color me unimpressed if Romo does it.

[IronMexican]

I know...I was ing with you.

I will ask this though. You don't like Dallas or Romo, which is cool. I am not going to go all Spursfan9021Ho on you and whine about you not liking my team. However, if Romo has a good year this year, will you acknowledge it or will you be like Pandaspur, JGW, Ducks and others who if Romo threw for 5000 yds, 40tds, 2 ints, won league MVP and the Super Bowl while going 19-0, then cured cancer, aids and world hunger, would point out the 2 ints?

I don't hate Romo. I achknowledge greatness. You think I like admitting Brady is one of the best QB's of all time? I bust balls a lot, but I wont dog a player to dog him.

[samikeyp]

Dammit!! I knew someone would throw the Tebow card!

[samikeyp]

I don't hate Romo. I achknowledge greatness. You think I like admitting Brady is one of the best QB's of all time? I bust balls a lot, but I wont dog a player to dog him.

Two things I know we can agree on though..the Dodgers and Notre Dame.

[PaulGreco]

Based off projections?

So if you had to win a game tomorrow, you'd take Schaub over Palmer?

OK, so one of the things I do is projections for Football for the season and each week for Fantasy Football players at FantasyPros911.com.

So the projections above are based on the following

1. Current roster of players (weapons around him)
2. Strength of Schedule
3. Prior year(s) stats
4. Defense vs. offense matchup (i.e. How a player performed on turf vs. grass, against 4-3 or 3-4 D, and matchups -- for WR who they are going up against on the other side of the ball)
5. Age of the player (i.e. stats show a huge drop off for RB's 30+)

So after figure in all that into the formula, stats are produced.

Now, based on your question of Schaub or Palmer, you can't just look at the individual player, you have to look at the whole picture. I think the Texans D is better than Cincy's. I think the Texan's WR's and RB's are better than Cincy. So, if they were playing each other, I think as a whole I would go with Schaub -- based on the fact he has better weapons around him.

Now, if it were a skills compe ion, I would go with Palmer because I think he DOES have more skills than Schaub. That being said, if your question was more indepth and it was, "If you could be choose either Schaub or Palmer on (Whatever team you choose), who would you rather have at QB?" which is where I think you going, again this would be a skills compe ion and I would say Palmer.

Kind of a round about way to answer your question, but hopefully it was what you were looking for.

--PG

[samikeyp]

I would take Palmer. Schaub would trip on his way to the field and pull a hammy.

[benefactor]

I would take Palmer. Schaub would trip on his way to the field and pull a hammy.

Sadly, this is true.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The only reason Schaub missed games last season is because of 2 cheap shots he took.

[samikeyp]

Schaub would be invincible wearing this.

[DBryant88]

The only reason Schaub missed games last season is because of 2 cheap shots he took.

what are they going to do this season without rosenfels?