is manu the best international player of all time?

[MB20]

you're exagerating a bit here... In his prime playing for the great machester David y was a top 20 players at that time

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Nope. Beckham wasn´t top 20 at that time ( 1998-1999 ). He was just overrated by the media.

[romain.star]

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Nope. Beckham wasn´t top 20 at that time ( 1998-1999 ). He was just overrated by the media.

hagi and stoichkov were too old back then, ronaldihno henry and van nistelroy were too young, shearer = newcastle, zamorano??? come on... maybe salas at his very best.
like it or not but before being a e boy, beckham was among the world class player and a leader in an all time classic team: 99 Manutd

[DaBears]

Maybe we would have to change it up a bit and ask our selves which international player means more to his team in the sense of team success.. That might help you establish who the better play is.....

[greensborohill]

Maybe we would have to change it up a bit and ask our selves which international player means more to his team in the sense of team success.. That might help you establish who the better play is.....

Nowitzki.

Dallas w/o Nowitzki = trash

Germany w/o Nowitzki = lowest of the low trash

[MB20]

hagi and stoichkov were too old back then, ronaldihno henry and van nistelroy were too young, shearer = newcastle, zamorano??? come on... maybe salas at his very best.
like it or not but before being a e boy, beckham was among the world class player and a leader in an all time classic team: 99 Manutd

Zola, Weah, Baggio, Cafu...

[Solid D]

With a list of players, choosing to play in the NBA instead of Europe, that includes: Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, Hedo Turkoglu, Tony Parker, Jose Calderon, Roko Leni Ukic, Marko Belinelli, Andrea Bargnani, Rasho Nesterovic, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Ersan Ilyasova, Zaza Pachulia, Vladimir Radmanovic, Boris Diaw, DeSagana Diop, Yakhouba Diawara, Mickael Pietrus, Marcin Gortat, Luis Scola, Fabricio Oberto, Marko Jaric, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Peja Stojakovic, Ian Mahinmi, Ronny Turiaf, Linas Kleiza, Darius Songaila, Thabo Sefalosha, Serge Ibaka, Nenad Krstic, Nicolas Batum, Andrei Kirilenko, Mehmet Okur, Kosta Koufos, Andris Biedrins, Sasha Vujacic, Beno Udrih, Goran Dragic, Leandrinho Barbosa, Sasha Pavlovic, Spencer Hawes, Andres Nocioni, Omri Casspi, and Sergio Rodriguez....

it is little wonder that players such as V-Span choose to play in Europe. A shallow pool provides greater opportunity to swim, survive, and be noticed.

You are smoking good stuff to put most of those players in the class of Spanoulis. I mean that is a joke. Some of them I mean you have got to be kidding.

There you go again, drawing an incorrect conclusion from a point made. You are either drawing an incorrect conclusion or you are trying to misdirect the discussion by establishing an entirely different criteria for argument...one that suits you.

I didn't list those NBA players to attempt to put them in the same class or level of play with Spanoulis. Some of them are just better players, but that is beside the point. The point is that a growing number of good, non-USA players are playing in the NBA and not in Europe. If even half of that talent were playing in the European leagues or in Euroleague, with the team basketball that is being played in Europe, it would be more difficult for a player like V-Span to earn MVP status. Let's face it, he was unable to thrive by swimming in the NBA pool...whether by homesickness, coach or whatever the excuse.

(awaiting your next re-direct defending Spanoulis' reasons)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

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Who would those be? Since minor league basketball should not enter into the equation, his Euro hardware makes no impression on me.

Dirk and Nash have had better NBA careers than Manu. Making a Finals as a #1 guy and winning two MVP awards as a #1 guy trumps being a 3-time champion as a #2 guy. If Manu were capable of winning a championship as a #1 guy or took home 3 MVP awards as a #1 guy, then you could argue he's had a better NBA career than Nash or Dirk.

We'll never know 100% certain what Manu would do as a #1 guy with his own team, but he's a Top 30 player. That strikes me as him leading his team to an 8th seed at best.

You are a joke.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Under FIBA rules and with a stacked team besides him. Those national teams practice and play together for years on end, whereas the US has thrown their international comp squads together in a haphazard fashion without much understanding of what it takes to win in FIBA. If the Argentinian National Team was inducted into the NBA as the 31st team, they'd struggle to adapt to NBA rules.

I'm more impressed with Dirk getting Germany to qualify for the Olympics when his supporting cast was a bunch of dudes that couldn't hold the court at a 24 Hour Fitness. Manu couldn't have done that.

You make this all up.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why should I consider what he did in minor league basketball? Should I list what Alex Rodriguez did at Double A?

You are a ing idiot.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There you go again, drawing an incorrect conclusion from a point made. You are either drawing an incorrect conclusion or you are trying to misdirect the discussion by establishing an entirely different criteria for argument...one that suits you.

I didn't list those NBA players to attempt to put them in the same class or level of play with Spanoulis. Some of them are just better players, but that is beside the point. The point is that a growing number of good, non-USA players are playing in the NBA and not in Europe. If even half of that talent were playing in the European leagues or in Euroleague, with the team basketball that is being played in Europe, it would be more difficult for a player like V-Span to earn MVP status. Let's face it, he was unable to thrive by swimming in the NBA pool...whether by homesickness, coach or whatever the excuse.

(awaiting your next re-direct defending Spanoulis' reasons)

Spanoulis is the best European talent that has ever lived. In 10 years time you and everyone else will be embarrassed that you ever argued with me. It is hilarious that the greatest coach ever (the one that Popovich learns from) the same one that coached Sabonis, Bodiroga, etc. said Spanoulis is the greatest talent he has ever seen.

He calls him the "Chosen One" and said the same thing before his career is over he will be remembered as the greatest player regardless of what league.

[Brazil]

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Zidane, Ronaldo, Batistuta, Roberto Carlos, Romario, Ronaldinho, Zamorano, Laudrup, Raul, Henry, Thuram, Shearer, Del Piero, P. Maldini, Totti, Vieri, Bergkamp, Kluivert, Rivaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Figo, Nedved, Hagi, Shevchenko, Stoichkov...

Nope. Beckham wasn´t top 20 at that time ( 1998-1999 ). He was just overrated by the media.

lol I didn't see your post before.

Well let's see Batistuta ? Zamorano ? Laudrup ? Thuram ? (i love thuram but come on) Rivaldo ??? no way

[rold50]

Spanoulis is the best European talent that has ever lived. In 10 years time you and everyone else will be embarrassed that you ever argued with me. It is hilarious that the greatest coach ever (the one that Popovich learns from) the same one that coached Sabonis, Bodiroga, etc. said Spanoulis is the greatest talent he has ever seen.

He calls him the "Chosen One" and said the same thing before his career is over he will be remembered as the greatest player regardless of what league.

good one

[MB20]

lol I didn't see your post before.

Well let's see Batistuta ? Zamorano ? Laudrup ? Thuram ? (i love thuram but come on) Rivaldo ??? no way

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[Kill_Bill_Pana]

good one

Kobe said Spanoulis was best player he saw at Olympics.

[sonic21]

Kobe said Spanoulis was best player he saw at Olympics.

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