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    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run health insurance as part of his ambitious health care proposal.

    Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives. Such a concession is likely to enrage his liberal supporters but could deliver Obama a much-needed win on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.

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    Facing mounting opposition to doing anything whatsoever, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans.
    Fixed

    And even with concessions, fat chance getting a compromise out of the anti-American pieces of who make-up the GOP.

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    the closer we can get to a collapsed nation, the better.

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    Fixed

    And even with concessions, fat chance getting a compromise out of the anti-American pieces of who make-up the GOP.
    It's not just the GOP, balli.

    Obamacare -- worse than doing nothing

    August 15, 2009 Posted by Paul at 10:18 PM

    According to a Rasmussen survey released today, only 35 percent of Americans believe that passage of the bill "currently working its way through Congress" would be better than not passing any health care legislation this year. 54 percent of Americans disagree, believing that it would be better to pass no bill.

    The poll question is a bit misleading because there is no single bill working its way through Congress at this time. However, the results show pretty clearly that the Democrats are losing the health care debate.

    Democratic voters, of course, are still behind their party on this issue, though not overwhelmingly - 60 percent of Dems favor passing the legislation in Congress over doing nothing. But among independents, the split is 23 percent for and 66 percent against.

    The Dems' approach to health care is particularly unpopular with the middle class. The most strongly opposed income cluster consists of those that making $40,000 to $75,000 a year. Those making $20,000 of less are evenly divided; every other group is opposed.

    In a normal environment, these poll numbers would be fatal. But because the Democrats have such commanding majorities in both chambers, and because President Obama is so committed to passing legislation, it would be unwise to assume that the Dems won't be able to enact legislation along the lines now being pushed in the House. In fact, if it were up to the House alone, I'd probably bet that such legislation would pass. With the Senate in the picture, the outlook is more problematic, and it may be that the Democrats will need to compromise substantially in order to have a good shot at avoiding the embarrassment of passing nothing.

    Yet the Rasmussen poll suggests that for Democrats in swing states or districts, nothing would be a pretty cool hand.

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    As predicted.

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    Another pledge bites the dust...

    Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) claims that President Obama told him "he's willing to be a one-term president if that's what it takes to get health care and energy reform," reports Radio Iowa.

    Said Boswell: "The president (said), 'I'm not going to kick the can down the road.' And he said that and I said, 'Well, that's something I'm kind of used to from southern Iowa, you know. I know about kicking the can down the road.' And he said, 'No, if it makes me a one-term president, I'm going to, we're going to take it on because the country is in need of us taking this on.'"
    Damn, and I was so counting on this one.

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    Holy Schmackers!



    Maybe he was worried about making it even one term.

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    Nice trend...


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    They lost the information war... badly.

    People actually thought that all illegal immigrants were going to be covered. They actually thought that Palin was right about them wanting to kill her child with a Death Panel.

    The one thing of substance they really had them on was that this isn't really deficit neutral. I think it comes out to costing 300 billion over 10 years. That's a pretty big promise that wasn't met, and even if they laid off everything else this would be a large sticking point.

    I think they should have marketed it as cheap, basic health care coverage that was a step below private coverage. Getting what you pay for. They tried to say that it would be equal to what they have and that was just dumb.

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    With no real compe ion from a public option, the for-profit health insurers will continue to screw the country over for decades.

    The country is run for the profit of the corporations, not For The People.

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    I don't think this bill(s) are dead.

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    With no real compe ion from a public option, the for-profit health insurers will continue to screw the country over for decades.

    The country is run for the profit of the corporations, not For The People.
    What do you do for a living?

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    You on the left only have yourselves to blame. The Left has kept pushing for a single payer socialized healthcare system for so long that whenever people hear 'healthcare reform' or 'public option' that's all they hear no matter what the actual details are. So people were able to bring up every worst case scenario that's ever been associated with the term and the Left had no moderate rock to hide behind.

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    You on the left only have yourselves to blame. The Left has kept pushing for a single payer socialized healthcare system for so long that whenever people hear 'healthcare reform' or 'public option' that's all they hear no matter what the actual details are. So people were able to bring up every worst case scenario that's ever been associated with the term and the Left had no moderate rock to hide behind.
    Socialism can't be sold with an authentic wrapper. That's why they use terms like "progressive."

    America is the an hesis of Socialism and, whenever it's recognized for what it is, it is soundly rejected by this country.

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    I don't think this bill(s) are dead.
    They may not be dead but they can't go forward with Obama's nutroots supporters without the so-called "public option" and it can't be paid for with out a "death panel" rationing care.

    Whatever they come up with, won't fly with about two thirds of the supporters of the current fiasco.

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    What do you do for a living?
    Whatever it is, it's left him without a clue about how he's paid...you know, from the evil profits of his employer.

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    Socialism can't be sold with an authentic wrapper. That's why they use terms like "progressive."

    America is the an hesis of Socialism and, whenever it's recognized for what it is, it is soundly rejected by this country.

    Nailed it Yoni. Not even the third world is buying this outdated and bankrupt idea called socialisim, even Europe has recognized it doesn't work, in fact after the socialists took a s acking in the latest eurpoean elections they tried to promote the idea of calling themselves"democrats" instead of "socialists",They were following the thinking of the George Soros branch of the American democrat party.

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    socialism is not what a public option is. socialism is lying slime, and it sticks with a lot dumb , manipulated red-staters who can't think for themselves.

    the corps win, citizens lose.

    same is happening with the banksters, they live to gamble again unregulated and unseen, knowing the taxpayers will make good on their bad bets.

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    socialism is not what a public option is. socialism is lying slime, and it sticks with a lot dumb , manipulated red-staters who can't think for themselves.

    the corps win, citizens lose.

    same is happening with the banksters, they live to gamble again unregulated and unseen, knowing the taxpayers will make good on their bad bets.
    The "public option" was the linchpin of the single-payer plan. The "public option" would have been heavily subsidized by us (the taxpayers) so they could undercut the commercial insurance companies on price, draw customers, and cause them to collapse.

    Under ObamaCare, we all lose...unless, of course, you're lucky enough to be a Congressman; because, then, you have an excellent "public option" also funded by the taxpayer.

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    A public option wouldn't necessarily cause for-profiteers to collapse, but they would probably shrink, and good riddance.

    In many countries with public health plans, for-profit private insurers exist well alongside the public plan.

    A public option could also leverage down exorbitant drug prices, as happens in other countries where the US drug companies are forced to sell their drugs for a lot less than US suckers pay for them, because they have to negotiate with the govt's single-buyer.

    That's why you can buy US drugs in, eg, Canada cheaper than in US, and why drug companies pay the US govt to stop (re)importation, with scare-the-dumb s bull like the US drugs from Canada are lower quality tha from the US.

    In any case, I predict the Senate will kill anything the House passes, and we will continue to get screwed by the health care industry.

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    A public option wouldn't necessarily cause for-profiteers to collapse, but they would probably shrink, and good riddance.

    In many countries with public health plans, for-profit private insurers exist well alongside the public plan.

    A public option could also leverage down exorbitant drug prices, as happens in other countries where the US drug companies are forced to sell their drugs for a lot less than US suckers pay for them, because they have to negotiate with the govt's single-buyer.

    That's why you can buy US drugs in, eg, Canada cheaper than in US, and why drug companies pay the US govt to stop (re)importation, with scare-the-dumb s bull like the US drugs from Canada are lower quality tha from the US.

    In any case, I predict the Senate will kill anything the House passes, and we will continue to get screwed by the health care industry.
    You must not pay taxes.

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    Holy Schmackers!



    Maybe he was worried about making it even one term.
    Well, he has to be better than President Bush at one thing. May as well be having the lowest approval ratings.

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    Well, he has to be better than President Bush at one thing. May as well be having the lowest approval ratings.
    I think to beat Bush, Obama's opponent would have to engage in an 8 year campaign to destroy his character.

    Most of his opponents, me included, are only interested in his policies failing to be realized.

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    My canon is aimed at issues but not individuals. Barack Hussein is a respectable person that realized his American dream through his hard work, and such a person deserve to live a decent life in America despite where he was born. However, some of his political ambitions are unpractical and slightly delusional, which may eventually cause disasters.

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