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Mo Cheeks, John Lucas. Sure those two weren't HOF'ers, but they were damn good passers.
Moses Malone is definitely a center, he pretty much played his whole career as a center, and particularly those during his prime years with the Rockets and 76ers.
As for strength of player, you have to put Artis Gilmore in there somewhere. Moses Malone wasn't really that strong, he was more agile and smart.
Mo Cheeks, John Lucas. Sure those two weren't HOF'ers, but they were damn good passers.
Cmon now, Phila...I was giving you respect unitl you broke out some excuse why Karl malone wasnt good. Because of Stockton? Give me a break, man. You wanna go at this? Lets do it. You seem to have some personal vendetta against Karl malone. How about Jabbar? He is considered the best center ever. Are you gonna say he isnt because he played with Magic? Give it a rest, man. Karl malone is better than Moses. period. No excuses.
Hey, phila...I guess we can say MJ isnt that good because he played with a top 50 player in Pippen.
Didn't Jabbar win a Championship before he ever played with Magic?
And for the record, I'd take Moses over Karl in a heartbeat.
Moses Malone was better than Karl Malone. Karl Malone, despite his size and strength, tend to settle for mid range jump shots too much, and most of that is based on pick and roll. Karl was the better passer, but Moses was the better rebounder, defender, and generally wrecks havoc in the paint.
That being said, Moses Malone was still a center, so he doesn't come into this debate.
Whenever this question pops up, it should have just one response, 2 words: "Tim Duncan" and then locked.
Elvin Hayes needs to be on that list. Hayes > McHale and even Barkley
Elgin Baylor was 6-5 not sure if he was considered a pf or not. But if so he needs to be on the list.
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ive never seen kevin mchale played, but it seems like this guy is overrated...would he win leading the celtics without bird? same with parish also...
Agree. I watched him play.
Basketball was only on TV once a week in the late 60s early 70s (Sunday afternoon).
Teams that were often on were the Celtics, Lakers, Bullets, Bucks, 76ers Bulls and Knicks.
McHale was not overrated, trust me. He is definitely one of the top 5 PF of all time. Not only does he have the best footwork in the history of league (outside of maybe Hakeem), but his defense was top notch.
While Bird took most of the credit for leading the Celtics in the 80's (and rightfully so), he could not have won anything without McHale beside him.
would he dominate a game if no bird?
Bob Pet was one of the first dominant big men in the league. He had career averages of 26.4 points, 16.2 rebounds and 3 assists along with 43.6 percent from the field and 76.1 percent from the free throw line. He was also selected to eleven All-Star teams in his 11 year career. He was also selected to the All-NBA team in the eleven seasons he played, ten of the selections as a member of the first team.
man who was his compe ion?
You can only compare players in their time and how dominate they were as compared to other players in their time.
I am pretty sure he could dominate a game, maybe not to the extent of a Bird, Duncan, Magic or Jordan, but he could put up 56 points once in a while as well, and play killer D. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that he could dominate a game like a Barkley or a Malone would
His biggest problem is that he can't really pass that well, but for a guy who shoots 60% from the field, and 80% from the line, there really isn't that much of a need for him to pass.
There was about a year and a half the guy was playing on one leg, and still puts up 20/8 a game as the second option, that is pretty ridiculous.
Take 88-89 season for example, Bird only played 6 games because of a bad back, and McHale was already past his prime, he still manages to score 22.5 ppg and 8 rpg. The Celtics weren't that great, and I think barely made the playoffs, but that is what I would imagine a Malone or Barkley would have done in the same situation (maybe a little better).
I would rank:
1) Duncan
2) Barkley
3) Malone
4) Garnett
5) McHale
6) Hayes
7) Nowitzki
Come to think of it, maybe he is not a sure in a 5 as 4 to 7 on my list are pretty close, but definitely one of the top 10.
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