Pau Gasol or Dirk Nowitzki, Who do you think is better?

[Basketballgirl25]

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[polysylab1k]

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[Basketballgirl25]

You are re ed as .

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQlgFo7PLIw

[Rodriguez]

You are re ed as .

that tart is even more re ed than .

[polysylab1k]

you were the one that was talking about yourself and you say I am re ed as
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQlgFo7PLIw

You are a B.I.T.C.H.

You sound both mentally and physically ed up.

[Basketballgirl25]

You are a B.I.T.C.H.

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[Basketballgirl25]

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[polysylab1k]

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[21_Blessings]

Wake me up when Pau gets to the Finals as a #1 guy. , wake me up when Pau whens a single friggin playoff game as a #1 guy. They met once in the playoffs, and Dirk curbstomped him. Dirk has won 9 series as a #1 guy. Pau has won 0 games as a #1 guy.

Wake me up when Pau chokes on his in the first round against the 8 seed with that kind of supporting cast.

You already went as far as to admit Dirk is better than Pau when the all-NBA teams came out.

Dirk's legacy SHOULD be a guy who won a championship without a 2nd all-NBA caliber player on the team.

As it is, he'll go down as the best foreign player of all time... probably top 5-7 PF's of all time, etc.

Overall Dirk is the better player and I never claimed otherwise. But Gasol is easily a better fit for the Lakers when you factor in his superior defense and post game. Posters claiming the Lakers would somehow be magically better with the biggest European choker to ever play are hilarious. Dirk needs the ball in hands to do anything and has no relevant post game to go along with his pathetic defense.

Dirk's legacy: Stern fed ex'd that MVP trophy he never deserved. What a joke of a MVP winner, or loser. Lmao Golden State.

[polysylab1k]

Of course, you have to give your pimp a percentage.

[Findog]

Wake me up when Pau chokes on his in the first round against the 8 seed with that kind of supporting cast.

Dirk's supporting cast has been Jason Terry and Josh Howard. Those two guys have 1 All Star injury replacement selection between them. It's not like Dirk has the Washington Generals beside him, but he hasn't exactly had stacked teams backing him up either.

The Warriors would've swept the Grizz. At least Dirk won 2 games.

Overall Dirk is the better player and I never claimed otherwise. But Gasol is easily a better fit for the Lakers when you factor in his superior defense and post game.

I said much the same thing, so what are we arguing about?

Posters claiming the Lakers would somehow be magically better with the biggest European choker to ever play are hilarious. Dirk needs the ball in hands to do anything and has no relevant post game to go along with his pathetic defense.

Kobe disagrees, because he whined like a for Dr. Buss to trade him to Dallas so he could team up with Dirk. If they can win a le with Pau and that supporting cast, they can make it work with Dirk too.

Dirk's defense isn't pathetic. Amare's defense is pathetic. Boozer's defense is pathetic. I'm not saying Dirk is Bill Russell reincarnated, but why don't you try watching a ing Mavericks game for the first time since 2003. Avery forced him to become a better defender.

Dirk's legacy: Greatest foreign player of all-time

FIFY. Golden State isn't going to be Dirk's legacy, any more than Dikembe Motumbo cradling that ball will be Kemp or Payton's legacy, or Kobe quitting like a against Phoenix will be his legacy.

[polysylab1k]

Wake me up when Pau chokes on his in the first round against the 8 seed with that kind of supporting cast.




Overall Dirk is the better player and I never claimed otherwise. But Gasol is easily a better fit for the Lakers when you factor in his superior defense and post game. Posters claiming the Lakers would somehow be magically better with the biggest European choker to ever play are hilarious. Dirk needs the ball in hands to do anything and has no relevant post game to go along with his pathetic defense.

Dirk's legacy: Stern fed ex'd that MVP trophy he never deserved. What a joke of a MVP winner, or loser. Lmao Golden State.

Chris Anderson could have been a better fit than anyone else for the Lakers, since he has superlative works for defense and is also fast enough to finish some easy lay-ups with Kobe's assists. Gasol used to be the ball controller in Memphis and we all witnessed how he worked in post-season. The Mavs did lose some tough games in the past several years but none of them was lost by a ridiculous margin as big as 38 points, and it never happens in a Mavs game that the coach of our opponent team got soaked with juice poured by one of his players.

[Will Hunting]

Wake me up when Pau chokes on his in the first round against the 8 seed with that kind of supporting cast.




Overall Dirk is the better player and I never claimed otherwise. But Gasol is easily a better fit for the Lakers when you factor in his superior defense and post game. Posters claiming the Lakers would somehow be magically better with the biggest European choker to ever play are hilarious. Dirk needs the ball in hands to do anything and has no relevant post game to go along with his pathetic defense.

Dirk's legacy: Stern fed ex'd that MVP trophy he never deserved. What a joke of a MVP winner, or loser. Lmao Golden State.

If you're wondering what that letter is attached to your birth certificate, it's an apology from the condom factory.

[KSeal]

If you're wondering what that letter is attached to your birth certificate, it's an apology from the condom factory.

Says the Will Hunting troll

[Will Hunting]

Wake me up when Pau chokes on his in the first round against the 8 seed with that kind of supporting cast.

Wake me up when Gasol wins a playoff game without Kobe.

[Will Hunting]

Says the Will Hunting troll

O god, touche.

[Ghazi]

Overall Dirk is the better player and I never claimed otherwise. But Gasol is easily a better fit for the Lakers when you factor in his superior defense and post game. Posters claiming the Lakers would somehow be magically better with the biggest European choker to ever play are hilarious. Dirk needs the ball in hands to do anything and has no relevant post game to go along with his pathetic defense.

It's not farfetch'd to say Lakers would win the le in '09 with Dirk in place of Pau... all I'm saying ... not saying they'd win 70 gamews or anything though.

[21_Blessings]

Dirk's supporting cast has been Jason Terry and Josh Howard. Those two guys have 1 All Star injury replacement selection between them. It's not like Dirk has the Washington Generals beside him, but he hasn't exactly had stacked teams backing him up either.

Terry has been a borderline all-star his entire career. Harris, Howard and Terry were much better than what Gasol had in Memphis by a long shot. Memphis had a squad full of role players. Dirk would do no better with Mike Miller, Battier and Bobby Jackson if you swapped him with Pau.

The Warriors would've swept the Grizz. At least Dirk won 2 games.

Well Pau would have defintely shot better than 39% against that pathetic Warriors defense. The truly sad thing about that series is Nelson rarely even double teamed Dirk. Jackson just made him his .

I said much the same thing, so what are we arguing about?

Truth is, Dirk is closer to a Pau Gasol than he will ever be to a Kobe Bryant. Dirk will never win a championship as the number 1 option. He proved as much.

Kobe disagrees, because he whined like a for Dr. Buss to trade him to Dallas so he could team up with Dirk. If they can win a le with Pau and that supporting cast, they can make it work with Dirk too.

He also wanted to be traded to New York and said he would play on Pluto Must have been that Jamal Crawford and unlivable atmosphere allure!

Dirk's defense isn't pathetic. Amare's defense is pathetic. Boozer's defense is pathetic. I'm not saying Dirk is Bill Russell reincarnated, but why don't you try watching a ing Mavericks game for the first time since 2003. Avery forced him to become a better defender.

No Dirk's defense is pathetic. Especially for a power forward. You have to hide the guy out there when his man has a decent post game. Pau proved this playoff run that his defense is worlds above Dirk.

[21_Blessings]

It's not farfetch'd to say Lakers would win the le in '09 with Dirk in place of Pau... all I'm saying ... not saying they'd win 70 gamews or anything though.

Yeah they would but most likely the Lakers would be worse defensively. Dirk can't play center at the minutes Pau was nor could he defend Howard effectively. They'd have to rely on Bynum being healthy and maybe even Odom at C which kills the Lakers rotation and creates huge defensive holes. Not to mention, without Bynum on the floor the Lakers would have no interior anchor/post presence on the floor.

Offensively Dirk gives a variety of contested fall aways which is something Kobe does better. So you're taking shots away from Kobe and your defense/interior scoring get worse in exchange for some killer outside shooting.

[Findog]

Well Pau would have defintely shot better than 39% against that pathetic Warriors defense. The truly sad thing about that series is Nelson rarely even double teamed Dirk. Jackson just made him his .

Dirk was hurt against Golden State. He just never used it as an excuse. And what ing series did you watch? They doubled him constantly and ran a second defender at him whenever he put the ball on the floor. When he was healthy the next year, he went back to making Jackson his :

He was healthy for this game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...801020DAL.html

This game he came back from that high ankle sprain way too early because this was a must-win situation:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804020DAL.html

Truth is, Dirk is closer to a Pau Gasol than he will ever be to a Kobe Bryant. Dirk will never win a championship as the number 1 option. He proved as much.

Kobe is a 1, Dirk is a 1.5, Pau is a 2. Dirk came within inches of a le as a #1 guy. It's still possible to win a le with Dirk as a #1 guy, but not likely. Pau can't win a playoff game as a #1 guy.

He also wanted to be traded to New York and said he would play on Pluto Must have been that Jamal Crawford and unlivable atmosphere allure!

He said he would only accept a trade to Chicago, Phoenix or Dallas...and it wasn't because he wanted to go to war with JET and Josh Howard.

No Dirk's defense is pathetic. Especially for a power forward. You have to hide the guy out there when his man has a decent post game. Pau proved this playoff run that his defense is worlds above Dirk.

Kendrick Perkins shut Howard down this postseason too. I don't see him making an All-Defense Team anytime soon. You play Howard straight up and close out on Orlando's shooters. Everybody knows that Howard is not exactly Hakeem Olajuwon in the post.

Dirk's defense is average. He'll get into foul trouble guarding Tim Duncan or Al Jefferson, but so will everybody else. I watch 78 more Mavericks games a year than you do. I remember Lamar Odom abusing Dirk in 07-08 when he came back on a high ankle sprain after only 2 weeks and had no lateral movement, but his defense is quite adequate. Since he's an elite offensive player, that's good enough to make him a franchise player.

[21_Blessings]

Dirk was hurt against Golden State. He just never used it as an excuse.

Because it wasn't a valid excuse. Just another epic Dirk playoff choke.

And what ing series did you watch? They doubled him constantly and ran a second defender at him whenever he put the ball on the floor. When he was healthy the next year, he went back to making Jackson his :

Bull on the doubling him constantly. Nelson knew how to defend Dirk. All he needed was a long athletic guy like Jackson and Dirk folded.

Kobe is a 1, Dirk is a 1.5, Pau is a 2. Dirk came within inches of a le as a #1 guy. It's still possible to win a le with Dirk as a #1 guy, but not likely. Pau can't win a playoff game as a #1 guy.

More like Kobe is a 1, Dirk is a 1.9 and Pau is a 2.

Pau has never had the supporting cast Dirk did as the number 1 guy. Not really a valid comparison. Dirk had all-star caliber guys around him his entire career. Gasol had some good roleplayers for like 3 seasons on a team owned by a guy that doesn't care about winning. What did Dirk do with Steve Nash (MVP, all-star) and Finley (all-star)? Right, nothing.

He said he would only accept a trade to Chicago, Phoenix or Dallas...and it wasn't because he wanted to go to war with JET and Josh Howard.

And New York. Yeah Dallas makes since so Dirk could become a number 2, which is a role he belongs at. Dirk has failed spectacularly at trying to win as a number 1 option. He's just not that type of player. Especially when the going gets tough, Dirk tends to vanish.

Since he's an elite offensive player, that's good enough to make him a franchise player.

Yeah a franchise player of a team that has never and will never win a le.

[Findog]

Because it wasn't a valid excuse. Just another epic Dirk playoff choke.

What's the other "epic playoff choke?" When he played a great Game 5 against Miami and hit that tough runner over Shaq before Wade got bailed out by Salvatore? Or the 29 points and 15 rebounds he put up in Game 6 when Miami clinched? You call that choking? How dumb are you? Do you ever watch any basketball besides Laker games?

Bull on the doubling him constantly. Nelson knew how to defend Dirk. All he needed was a long athletic guy like Jackson and Dirk folded.

And Dirk hobbled by bone spurs. When he's been healthy, Jackson can't guard him - see every Warriors-Mavs game since that series.

Pau has never had the supporting cast Dirk did as the number 1 guy. Not really a valid comparison. Dirk had all-star caliber guys around him his entire career. Gasol had some good roleplayers for like 3 seasons on a team owned by a guy that doesn't care about winning. What did Dirk do with Steve Nash (MVP, all-star) and Finley (all-star)? Right, nothing.

They won 60 games and advanced to the Conference Finals in 2003. You call that "nothing?"

Dirk has failed spectacularly at trying to win as a number 1 option

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If coming as close to winning a le as Al Gore did to becoming President cons utes "failing spectacularly," then yeah, I'd agree. I guess that means LeBron, Dwight Howard and Chris Paul have also "failed spectacularly" at winning a le. They're franchise players too. Lots of variables go into winning at le. Dirk had a decent supporting cast in 2006 but he's never had a legitimate second All Star besides him. He never had a Paul Pierce or Ray Allen like KG did. He's never had a Pau Gasol or Lamar Odom like Kobe did. He's never had a dominant low-post presence in O'Neal like Wade and Kobe did. He's had two guys (Josh, Jet) that merit "Honorable Mention" when it comes to the All Star team and he took those guys within inches of a le.

Yeah a franchise player of a team that has never and will never win a le.

Let me know what else is going to happen in the future so I can place my bets now.

[Findog]

Dirk Nowitzki career playoff averages:

26 points, 11 rebounds and 3 assists on 45% shooting in 97 career playoff games. How does a "choker" get the opportunity to play over a season's worth of playoff games when he is his team's best player? at 21 Palins

[21_Blessings]

Jackson can't guard him - see every Warriors-Mavs game since that series.

Jackson shut him down in the playoffs. With rarely any double teams and one of the worst defenses in the NBA. Dirk's legacy ladies and gentlemen.

They won 60 games and advanced to the Conference Finals in 2003. You call that "nothing?"

They beat nobody impressive in 2003. Yes winning 60 games with a stacked team and then getting sent home is nothing.

If coming as close to winning a le as Al Gore did to becoming President cons utes "failing spectacularly," then yeah, I'd agree.

Coming close you mean choking away 2-0 lead with home court then yeah. Either way, Dirk doesn't have a ring.

Dirk is only very slightly better than Gasol. Dirk has proven he can't win even when he has a stacked team. Pau has proven he can't win with a team full of old role players. Basically in the same class as a player since both need a dominant superstar next to them in order to win. Only difference is, Pau will retire a European and multiple NBA champion.

[Findog]

Jackson shut him down in the playoffs. With rarely any double teams. 1st round against one of the worst defenses in the NBA.

Stop making stuff up. Notice the bold: You're just going off box scores and didn't watch the series if you think the Warriors played him straight up. That's like me saying Kobe choked against Boston when everybody knows Lamar and Pau peed their pants at the sight of Celtic green.

This kind of stuff is why you get no respect here for your basketball a en. We both agree Dirk is better than Pau. We both agree that given the composition of the Laker roster, you can make a case that Pau is a better fit because he has a more traditional post game. Everything else is you making stuff up and getting more sand in your vag than Charlie Rosen.

They beat nobody impressive in 2003. Yes winning 60 games with a stacked team and then getting sent home is nothing.

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Coming close you mean choking away 2-0 lead with home court then yeah. Either way, Dirk doesn't have a ring.

He was great in the crunch time of that series. Wade was better. No shame in that.

Dirk is only very slightly better than Gasol.

Pau is very very good. Dirk is great. That's the difference.

Dirk has proven he can't win even when he has a stacked team.

When has Dirk played with a "stacked" roster? Are you saying Josh/Jet are as good as Pau/Lamar? Pierce/Allen? Shaq? If so, nothing more needs be said.