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    100s of 1000s of years of species-strengthening natural selection in very adverse cir stance got us here, and now we have created a "lifestyle" that weakens and reverses the most fundamental strengths of the species.
    this sentence is literally the basis of eugenics

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    Damn, I thought govt wasn't gonna run anything and it would free.
    Well, you're just stupid or ignorant.

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    "literally the basis of eugenics"

    eugenics is getting preferred people (eg, me and Spurs starters) to reproduce, while stopping unpreferred people (eg,"People of Walmart" and Glenn Beck devotees) from reproducing.

    Now, just run along and GFY.

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    this sentence is literally the basis of eugenics
    And here we see how ignorant you are. Eugenics is determining who should breed or be eliminated by HUMANITY. Natural selection is nature determining who lives and dies.

    Or are you really too dumb to tell the difference?

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    "literally the basis of eugenics"

    eugenics is getting preferred people (eg, me and Spurs starters) to reproduce, while stopping unpreferred people (eg,"People of Walmart" and Glenn Beck devotees) from reproducing.

    Now, just run along and GFY.
    And here we see how ignorant you are. Eugenics is determining who should breed or be eliminated by HUMANITY. Natural selection is nature determining who lives and dies.

    Or are you really too dumb to tell the difference?
    eugenics is the human-invented replacement for natural selection. natural selection for humans is severely hindered in today's lifestyle...i quote again:

    we have created a "lifestyle" that weakens and reverses the most fundamental strengths of the species.
    this isn't limited to the two exceedingly narrow examples you gave (bad diet and pervasive chemical pollution). humanity is rife with morality, and we don't slaughter quasimodos anymore. nature is too cruel, so when a baby with a congenital heart defect is born, we surgically correct this defect. where nature would have eliminated these defective genes from earth, we unnaturally cause them to survive on. we build them wal-marts, give them food stamps, and even pay them per child to replicate their ty genetics with welfare.

    non idiotic people see this as an obvious detriment to society and humanity. these people believe in eugenics, the replacement for natural selection.

    i'm gonna quote this one last time, which is pitiful since i've quoted it so much, and doubly pitiful since one of you ing wrote it (lol).

    we have created a "lifestyle" that weakens and reverses the most fundamental strengths of the species.
    this is the exact reason eugenics was invented. if you don't see how, you both should thank your respective deities that hitler didn't win, because both of you would be eugenically selected against.

    that was the only point i was trying to make.
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    Single payer healthcare is not on the table anyway, but I'm going to say it is.

    "Non-white" people are losing this country to the Jews and their black henchman
    Fixed

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    Many preemies just aren't viable.

    The technology and skills to save them are impressive (we can save them), but very often preemies grow into children and young adults with all kinds of chronic diseases and weaknesses due to their bodies' systems (heart, lungs, immune, kidneys, etc) not being fully developed and not completing maturation after premature birth. (but should we save them?)

    But that very richly runs up the health care revenues for their entire, probably shortened, lifetime, while impoverishing the parents. BOL and EOL questions are very difficult, but richly rewarding for the health profit system.

    The real question is why "The rate of premature birth has increased by 36 percent since the early 1980s"

    http://www.marchofdimes.com/professi...14332_1157.asp

    What the 's gone wrong with women? and/or men's sperm in the last 30+ years?

    100s of 1000s of years of species-strengthening natural selection in very adverse cir stance got us here, and now we have created a "lifestyle" (essentially bad diet and pervasive chemical pollution) that weakens and reverses the most fundamental strengths of the species.


    Eugenics has nothing to do with my comments. You a preemie, too?

    GF, GFY
    HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    jesus its like im on another planet

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    "Single payer healthcare is not on the table"

    It should be, and will be.

    Magic Negro will then be able to negotiate/screw down BigPharma and medical equipment/device suppliers to price levels those suppliers charge in other countries, which pay a lot less for same stuff as US does.

    iow, the US citizens, aka suckers, are subsidizing lower drug/equipment prices for foreign countries' govt-single-purchasers.

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    "That's what I perceive in this post."

    were you a preemie? brain-damaged?
    My cousin was a preemie. I (along with other family members) spent days, weeks helping my aunt and uncle through the unkowing time before he was released to go home.

    Afterwards...my aunt and uncle spent countless money in deductibles, out of pocket expenses and sacrifices helping him to grow beyond the point of danger.

    32 years later...He (my cousin) is now a healthy, productive person in the state of Florida.

    Brain Damage?...yes I've had brain damage suffered while playing high school sports. I've had to live with the consequences of that damage for almost 33 years. But have managed to achieve a college degree...rear 6 wonderful children...have a wonderful wife...and own my own business.

    Not easy...I have to double think and triple look at anything I say or write because though I might know in my mind what I want to say...sometimes it comes out different than what I'm thinking. And more than likely will only get worse as age wears on.

    Point is...what were you referring to?

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    "Single payer healthcare is not on the table"

    It should be, and will be.

    Magic Negro will then be able to negotiate/screw down BigPharma and medical equipment/device suppliers to price levels those suppliers charge in other countries, which pay a lot less for same stuff as US does.

    iow, the US citizens, aka suckers, are subsidizing lower drug/equipment prices for foreign countries' govt-single-purchasers.
    Face it, ObamaCare is dead. They lost their last Republican today... , even Rockefeller is opposed to it now.

    The "public" option -- in any form -- won't pass muster with the Republicans and many Democrats and any plan without it, won't pass muster of the looney left base in the Democrat party.

    He's screwed the pooch on health care reform. The best he can do now is hope the Republicans will throw him a bone and help him draft sensible health care reform legislation the public will accept.

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    The idea that the "public option" would hurt the health industry strikes me as very odd. I'd be extremely happy if I were them and such a policy was adopted. I mean, do you think the military industry, that has the government as their only client, has been doing badly? There isn't a better client than the government...

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    There isn't a better client than the government...
    The government isn't constrained to fiscal accountability.

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    The government isn't constrained to fiscal accountability.
    neither are us companies too big to fail

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    "won't pass muster with the Republicans"

    nothing will pass muster with the Repugs.

    The Dems don't need the Repugs, they've got the numbers in the House, and reconciliation in the Senate.

    The Repugs play only obstructionist hard ball, and it's past time the Dems return the favor.
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    neither are us companies too big to fail
    They're just bought out by other big companies.

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    The Repugs play only obstructionist hard ball, and it's past time the Dems return the favor.
    Many Dems aren't "Dems".

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    Lost the Senate Majority leader...

    Harry Reid: Health care bill won’t work for Nevada

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    They're just bought out by other big companies.
    if you want to call the govt a company, yeah i suppose. not a big leap of logic!

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    eugenics is the human-invented replacement for natural selection. natural selection for humans is severely hindered in today's lifestyle...i quote again:
    Natural selection: Occurs naturally. Nature selects those who thrive the most in particular instances. STILL OCCURRING. Not moral or immoral, but amoral.

    Eugenics: Obviously, does not occur naturally. Governed by human bias. Immoral. Does not normally occur.

    There's your difference! Thanks for playing.

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    Also, your claim that natural selection is no longer functioning is laughable. Or do people not choose their mates anymore?

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    death panel is excellent demagogic phrasing, but it's still counter-productive to intelligent discussion of a very difficult end-of-life subject that US society has not addressed.

    Meanwhile, the health care business will stuff its pockets with $Bs "taking care" of terminal patients, aka, milk cows.
    I agree with you that "death panel" is a harsh term that's used by political leaders who oppose socialized medicine for the sake of argument. However, sometimes a little bit of shock value is needed to make your point. Is it, in fact, counter productive? If you're not milking the cow...then what are you doing? Killing it?

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    Natural selection: Occurs naturally. Nature selects those who thrive the most in particular instances. STILL OCCURRING. Not moral or immoral, but amoral.

    Eugenics: Obviously, does not occur naturally. Governed by human bias. Immoral. Does not normally occur.

    There's your difference! Thanks for playing.
    Also, your claim that natural selection is no longer functioning is laughable. Or do people not choose their mates anymore?
    i didn't say its not functioning, i said that it is severely hindered, then i gave multiple examples of why. you aren't even reading or comprehending what i'm saying so i'm not even going to bother re-quoting what i've said. go re-read it all four or five times and then argue.

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    i didn't say its not functioning, i said that it is severely hindered, then i gave multiple examples of why. you aren't even reading or comprehending what i'm saying so i'm not even going to bother re-quoting what i've said. go re-read it all four or five times and then argue.
    Perhaps it is not my reading comprehension at fault, but your ability to communicate clearly.

    You believe that it's severely hindered because sabretooth tigers are around eating the slow ones. That's a severely limited view. Natural selection is working the same as it did before; it's just that the abilities needed to survive are different.

    Can a man with a physical deformity live longer than he might have before? Of course. But he will have to win a job over others to maintain food, and he will have to win over a mate to produce offspring.

    As long as people are still self-selecting mates, then natural selection is still occurring fine.

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    And Yoni's perennially tortured logic of "America really doesn't have a comparatively horrible peri-natal mortality rate because America saves more preemies" is ridiculous.

    Many preemies just aren't viable.

    The technology and skills to save them are impressive (we can save them), but very often preemies grow into children and young adults with all kinds of chronic diseases and weaknesses due to their bodies' systems (heart, lungs, immune, kidneys, etc) not being fully developed and not completing maturation after premature birth. (but should we save them?)

    But that very richly runs up the health care revenues for their entire, probably shortened, lifetime, while impoverishing the parents. BOL and EOL questions are very difficult, but richly rewarding for the health profit system.

    The real question is why "The rate of premature birth has increased by 36 percent since the early 1980s"

    http://www.marchofdimes.com/professi...14332_1157.asp

    What the 's gone wrong with women? and/or men's sperm in the last 30+ years?

    100s of 1000s of years of species-strengthening natural selection in very adverse cir stance got us here, and now we have created a "lifestyle" (essentially bad diet and pervasive chemical pollution) that weakens and reverses the most fundamental strengths of the species.


    no need to continue convincing us - we all know you are one seriously ed up individual.

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    Can someone please show me where Obama says that we all have to quit our current health care plans and join a single payer, government run system?

    Check the facts, please.

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