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Agree. They're both scrubs and Bogans will provide more production than both combined this year.
Damn I'm good.
Agree. They're both scrubs and Bogans will provide more production than both combined this year.
bogans is a nice addition to the spurs
And it seems like Pop is buliding a team with combo guys, guys that can play two or three positions on the court depending the squad on the floor or depending what is needed.
Yeah, like I said, I don't think he's very good. He's an upgrade over Udoka ... but that's not saying much. After that post you quoted, the Spurs traded for Jefferson so Bogans role isn't nearly as big as it would be without Jefferson in the mix.
And besides, I didn't say I liked Bogans, I just connected the dots and figured he'd be Pop's man to be the next defensive reclamation process. But if all goes as planned, Bogans won't be playing much. He's more injury insurance than anything.
Bogans as the Bowen replacement in a possible starting role? Bad. Bogans as a deep, deep reserve? Fine.
As for Williams and Hairston, the pressure will be on to play well in training camp and preseason. The Spurs can make room for one or both if the need arises. As it stands, neither has proved that they are worthy of an NBA roster spot.
Well I just didn't knew why you was so damn good
IF bogans will do a good job we probably will gonna see Parker minutes drop.
and it seems like Pop will try to stay as fresh as possible during the season. I don't know if it's good all around but ok.
What if you want to trade just one+Fin?
And to timvp, I think Hairston proved worthy of a spot last year. For a rookie who got minutes, he showed potential on both sides of the court. I didn't watch the game vs. the Cavs where they had came off an embarrassing loss, but I remember hearing Hairston did a solid job on Lebron. And doing a solid job on The Chosen One (dumbest nickname for an athlete to have) in his situation is extremely promising. Considering he was a rookie who got no respect from the zebras, was being zipped between sa and austin, and was never really given a true chance to be a role player, a la AToll. Plus, in the no Big 3 Denver game, he proved his worthiness to me. But maybe I just have lower standards.
Malik wouldn't have been better than the 5th wing in the rotation before the signing of Bogans.
if Fin was gone, it would be Malik fighting with Bogans for the 4th spot in the rotation.
if Malik, who has exactly the same size (so they are both a bit undersized), but is a far better athlete can't beat Bogans over a whole season, it will tell the Spurs a lot about his upside. so Bogans is also kind of an insurance for a Malik development fail.
if he can beat Bogans (I'm pretty sure), he is good enough to at least become a regular rotation wing for the Spurs future.
the key for Malik will be his 3pt shooting. no doubt he did improve, if he can constantly hit 3s at a 35%+ rate, he will take the 4th wing spot during the season.
Mason will not be a Spur in the 2010-2011 year you can book this.
likely. De Colo looks pretty much like exactly the player to take his role. question is, will he be ready 2010? (don't know about his contract in Spain, but I guess he has an escape clause)
Nothing like a vet minimum signing. Classic Spurs signing.
Keep
TRYING
TO TRADE
FINLEY AND BONNER
CONTINUE WITH THE CHAMPIONSHIP PURSUIT PEOPLE!
Absolutely love this pickup!
Awesome!!!
one thought:
most think Fin will be traded and think for who, but what if the whole Bogans signing is part of a cost saving move?
Spurs could trade Fin for a TE AND include his salary in the move and still save some money. Bogans will cost 0.74 million (league pays the other part) plus 0.74 in tax. that's 1.5 million. Fin costs 2.5 and 2.5 in tax. that's 5.0. if they ship out Fin plus the 2.5 to cover his salary and replace him with Bogans, they will still have saved 1 million overall.
if they find a taker, who wants to play Fin (and he wants to play there, if they ship him to OKC, he might just retire), the other team might do the deal for even lower included salary.
currently 10 teams own a TE that is good enough to take Fin with nothing in return.
(Cavs, Pacers, Nets, Thunder, Blazers, Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, Heat, Bulls)
the tax teams won't be interested and most don't have any use.
but the Bulls look somehow intriguing. they only have 13 players and they do have some room for a veteran wing, who can shoot. and Fin might be willing to go to his hometown for a last run and then end his career there.
i think this is more of an insurance signing for popovich's defense first mentality. if jefferson doesn't live up to the expectations of defending the opposing team's best wing player, bogans can be there for insurance. bogan's offense though, is pretty awful. but bowen's offense was just as bad when he came to the spurs. maybe with the added offense, bogans can see more playing time.
i still would like to see what hariston can offer. he should get the 15th spot. best case for me is that finley moves far away from the rotation, leaving hairston to get some playing time during the regular season. having both finley and mason in the rotation seems redundant.
I could certainly see this happening, though if the Spurs are just going to salary dump Finley, it would likely be closer to the trade deadline when they're more certain that they can live without him. The only thing that would really accelerate this kind of move would be if the Spurs are really high on 2 of Hairston/Williams/McClinton/Gist and need to open up a roster spot.
Dude's offensive works have long been overlooked and badly underrated IMHO. For most guards of his size, it's generally a difficult or more fairly said, a scary work to grip the ball hobbling into a huddle of 7-footers in the paint. But that's never been something Bogans feels slightly loath to do.
But I don't think a minimum is accurate to bait him, though he might join Spurs for some reason like the slim possibility of winning a ring with the skunks. Bogan is still relatively young, hence he probably won't follow Gary Payton's straggle to join a team for the only purpose of tailcoating a ring. If Spurs seriously can't offer him any bigger bid than minimum, I guess he will probably join a team that offers him double or even triple as minimum value.
Even if he is urgent enough to accept minimum, I think many other teams are better options for him than Spurs at every dimension. At least Spurs haven't got the largest possibility to win le next season in sight of the whole league, or even in sight of the single lone-star state of Texas.
Finley is more of a help than Bonner to Spurs IMHO, especially in terms of experience. Anyway you can't even argue someone in his 20s is more experienced than a brown-bearded Findog.
The smart choice for Spurs should be keeping Findog for one more season or two while he is still not too old to work, however, trading him away seems like the worst option possible at present. The truth is no team wants to lose even expiring craps for a worn-out stained dog, not to mention picks or any other valuable stocks, a future pick consideration is the finest scenario I can speculate for Spurs. For those rebuilding teams, it makes little sense to acquire an old dog whose athleticism has already retired actually. Such a vet on team is definitely positve rather than negative a conmident for a team who still believe they're serious contenders, particularly for the Spurs team whose games are even slow enough for grandmas to join.
If financial issues are the only reason to propel the projection of departing Findog, then Spurs have got a mold to replicate. Rockets just did a similar trade in the past season, in which they sent Francis together with 2.5 million cash to Memphis for a 2nd-rounder consideration. The 2.5 million was projected as SF's buy-out cost, then Rockets was enabled to sign Mutombo with their payroll remaining under threshold. The Spurs need to find a team with 2m trade exception to send off Findog, but I doubt Spurs have such loyal affiliates to get it done.
Bulls don't have a TE big enough to take Finley.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...exceptions.jsp
And Bulls are also just below the luxury tax ($1M). Even if they had a TE big enough for Finley, they wouldn't do it because it would put them above the tax.
From my recollection, Bogans is pretty decent for what we want. For what he brings, and for his price, it could be a pretty good signing. I can't help but subscribe to the "imminent trade" theory though.
i think you underrating Bogans 3 point shooting
His 3 pointers aren't what may help Spurs though, since Spurs have already got a full hand of shooters in Mason, Bonner, etc... But seriously, you can't find anyone except Manu and Tony on Spurs current squad that has the ability, or the willingness to attack the rim inside instead of danging it from the arc.
Jefferson.
Once again, Finley has no use if Mason Jr. is knocking down 3's. Bonner has no use if Haislip is knocking down 3's. By the first or second month of the season I predict a trade involving bonner/Finley/Ian for a 7-0 footer. Like I said before Diop would be a good trade since he is big and can play 20min at center for 82games and get you 6/7 rebounds 1/2 blocks a night and defend the middle. Or the next best scenario besides camby would be Pryzbilla from Portland, however I doubt portland ( being a contender ) would give up a player to the Spurs.
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