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Montana all time...hands down.
Two more to consider.
Montana all time...hands down.
Otto Graham.
No and no.
Two more to consider.
The only three to consider is Manning, Brady, and Montana. And I think Manning and Brady both surpassed Montana, who benefited greatly from playing in an era where heavy passing had just started to take the league by storm, a system that no one had seen before (west coast offense), and great weapons such as Rice, Taylor, and more. Most teams were still geared to stop the run more than anything. Remember the 85 Bears? Hard-nosed, smash mouth defense, that suffered their only loss to a Dolphins team that utilized a heavy passing, spread attack... something they hadn't seen much of all year.
Manning and Brady both have been able to be successful in multiple systems.
Plus, are you really going to tell me that Brady and Manning couldn't have done what Montana did? Going back and forth between letting Rathman pound the out of their opponent, and throwing short, accurate, timed passes to guys like Jerry Rice?
Please.
Uhhh..no. Maybe par with Montana, at least for Brady, but Manning is not that far behind.No and no.
The only three to consider is Manning, Brady, and Montana. And I think Manning and Brady both surpassed Montana, who benefited greatly from playing in an era where heavy passing had just started to take the league by storm, a system that no one had seen before (west coast offense), and great weapons such as Rice, Taylor, and more. Most teams were still geared to stop the run more than anything. Remember the 85 Bears? Hard-nosed, smash mouth defense, that suffered their only loss to a Dolphins team that utilized a heavy passing, spread attack... something they hadn't seen much of all year.
Manning and Brady both have been able to be successful in multiple systems.
Plus, are you really going to tell me that Brady and Manning couldn't have done what Montana did? Going back and forth between letting Rathman pound the out of their opponent, and throwing short, accurate, timed passes to guys like Jerry Rice?
Please.
do we all agree that the Vikings are the best team in the NFL?
You have got to be kidding.
Enough with all the Montana knob-slobbing in here.
, Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Rich Gannon, or Jim Kelly probably all could have done as good of a job as Montana. There are probably at least 10 other precise passers that could have done his job and won rings with that team, that system, at that time in history. The guy was fantastic, no question. But he benefited from a great system and great timing more than any QB ever has. Stick him in today's NFL with a west coast offense, he wouldn't do nearly as much. Back then, the west coast was something no one had really seen. While still effective today, its not nearly as great or beneficial as it was in the 80s.
Exactly, put a QB who can make a play downfield at all in there and MIAMI has a legit chance to pull that game out.
CP did make a perfect pass to Ginn who choked but still......
Pennington reminds me of Marc Bulger....a guy who's accurate,can manage a game for you, but can't necessarily make plays with his arm or feet.
MIAMI needs some more team speed and a better QB.
INDY needs to name their next dome after Peyton Manning. The dude was ing brilliant and said to MIAMI's 45:00 time of possession...well, see my sig below basically.
Dan Marino, Steve Young, and Johnny Unitas are in the argument.No and no.
The only three to consider is Manning, Brady, and Montana. And I think Manning and Brady both surpassed Montana, who benefited greatly from playing in an era where heavy passing had just started to take the league by storm, a system that no one had seen before (west coast offense), and great weapons such as Rice, Taylor, and more. Most teams were still geared to stop the run more than anything. Remember the 85 Bears? Hard-nosed, smash mouth defense, that suffered their only loss to a Dolphins team that utilized a heavy passing, spread attack... something they hadn't seen much of all year.
Manning and Brady both have been able to be successful in multiple systems.
Plus, are you really going to tell me that Brady and Manning couldn't have done what Montana did? Going back and forth between letting Rathman pound the out of their opponent, and throwing short, accurate, timed passes to guys like Jerry Rice?
Please.
Defenses have evolved but we are talking different eras. QB's are much more protected than in the past. I want a QB that was able to excel when the game was much more violent for his position.
In my humble opinion, the greatest pure passer was Dan Marino. Steve Young was the greatest statistical quarterback ever, and you throw in his running ability and Super Bowl ring, and he deserves much more respect than he gets.
And if you don't know anything about Johnny Unitas and you love football, read a biography about him. To me, I don't know how you can talk about the greatest quarterbacks of all time and not have him in your discussion.
Maybe Brady and Montana could rival Johnny U in clutch situations but they were no way his equal as a football player. You want to talk about a golden arm? Strategist? Toughness? Winner?
opinions, assholes, and such.
That's not the point.
btw, Young isn't even close to guys like Manning and Brady.
Rathman, Rice and Taylor weren't on either the '81 or '84 SB teams.
And if new means a system that the NFL had seen for almost a decade before the 9ers won their 1st SB, then you have a point.
Kenny Anderson ran Walsh's WCO in the mid-70s.
QB's today are better than they were even 10 years ago, the entire game of football is evolving and improving in every area.
Manning > Montana
in today's NFL, Montana would be like Tony Romo
and yeah, I really just said that
Ward > Wayne
Wayne > Harrison
Ward > Harrison
The system hadn't been perfected the way it had by time that Montana came around. At first, it was clearly something the league wasn't used to dealing with. Then as the league started to come around a bit more, the 49ers added tools such as Craig, Rice, and Rathman. Come on now.
You're basically saying that guys like Parcells, Buddy Ryan and Belichik needed 5+ years to figure out how to stop this offense. And that's with game film from Stanford, SD, Cincy and the first two years in SF.
By chance do you think it was perfected in SF because of Joe Montana?
Regardless, the guy was a stone cold killer in those SBs. Accounted for 13 TDs, no turnovers and completed close to 70% of his passes.
Plus, he took KC to the AFCCG with a washed up Allen and guys like JJ Birden and Keith Cash as his WRs. At 37 years old.
As great as Manning is, he has to win another SB to even get in the conversation in my eyes.
Johnny U? Never saw him play so it's tough to gauge.
And Walsh was also making adjustments as time went on. Fact is, a lot of it was also personnel based. Most teams weren't built to handle such heavy passing offenses.
No question about it. But it was also perfect for him. I don't see him being able to run a complex and complete passing system like Peyton Manning runs, also calling plays and basically running the entire offense by himself.
Yeah, he was fantastic.
In a weak AFC.
What more can the guy do? Block for himself, because his offensive line has major holes? Catch his own passes because anyone other than Reggie Wayne suddenly unlearns how to catch passes and run routes? Stop the run on defense? The guy has done everything he could do. Winning SB's is a TEAM accomplishment.
Eh, only old fogies that can't accept the fact that predecessors will eventually be surpassed think he's in the discussion.
I have no idea if he could or couldn't run another offense. No one does. They say he was one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if I was forced to make a decision.
The guy just had an uncanny knack for making the big play in the biggest moments of the biggest games.
He's my clear #1 and Manning #2. I don't see that changing for the time being.
it's just the younger generation doesn't respect the generation previous as much as they should. I personally think 70's football is way overrated, because I grew up watching football in the 80's and 90's. I'm convinced the 90's Cowboys & 80's 49ers would absolutely destroy the 70's Steelers, even though probably nobody who grew up watching 70's football would think that.
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