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Wanna get even more irked Kent?
Use teh google and see which political candidate Pop donated money to.
Hint, he was not elected president.
Anyone who's been paying attention knows Popovich is a Liberal Democrat. Always has been. He just doesn't make a big deal out of it. (Actually he doesn't make a big deal out of anything having to do with himself.) But he was asked a question, so he answered.
He's still one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time.
Look, I don't agree with his point of view on this either. But what the does it have to do with basketball? Is it not possible for someone who's on the other side of this issue from you to still be "The Man" when it comes to the Spurs? Can you not root for him now?
And, turning this thread into a political debate, in the Spurs forum, is just not acceptable. Take it somewhere else! I don't come here for this kind of discussion.
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Wanna get even more irked Kent?
Use teh google and see which political candidate Pop donated money to.
Hint, he was not elected president.
When this thread rockets to 3 pages you know there's not much to discuss in the world of hoops!
Obviously, the time Pop spent studying Russia in his former profession has caused his brain to get infected by communism... errr facisism err socialism. Whatever, they're all the same thing.
all I know is that my country of residence (CHILE), known for being the most neoconservative, fiscally conservative, privatised country in south america, whose GDP is probably less than a tenth of the US, has a public option and its overall health care is ranked higher by the WHO than the US. in the land of finance, is it really so difficult to find funding for a public option, especially when most people will not even use it?
and since I work with food, I'll also say- food in the US is much cheaper than other countries. I think a lot of the health problems in the US come from how cheap and unhealthy the processed foods are. Y'all need to stop subsidizing corn and get back to actually cooking for yourselves. You'll spend more money and time, but its much better to spend money and time in a kitchen than in a hospital
This is a fact. And I don't see anyone succesfully disputing this.
Imo USA is going downhill because at leastone half of the country believes republican/FOX scare tactics on pretty much every issue.
Furthermore democrats are unable to get anything done despite them having majority pretty much everywhere.
China will maybe be the new world superpower even sooner than expected...
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Well.......
" tier system" is quite nebulous. There are good points and bad points. An irrefutable argument would necessarily have a narrower focus.
About Popovich.
I respect him in many ways. The way he thinks about basketball, politics, world, etc.
Imo he is extremely intelegent and would love to see a few hour interview with him where he would talk about his views on everything...
Spending 16% of GDP on healthcare, paying 20% more per capita than the next most expensive health care program in the world, health care costs bankrupting GM, and the impending disaster of paying for baby boomers' health care costs as they hit retirement aren't Democratic talking points; they're stone cold facts that should scare the out of everyone.
Because doing nothing worked so well when Hoover did it last time we had an impending depression?The deficit spending has been accelerated by the Obama administration (which was also out of whack under Bush).
We've tried it your way for 30 years. In those 30 years the wealth of our nation has moved from the middle class to the privileged few. The wealth distribution in this nation now looks more like Mexico than the United States in its prime (up to say, the 1960s, when we put a man on the moon; it's been all downhill since then).Paying for all the things BHO wants to do will hurt our economy at a time when is it already weak. Higher taxes on the people who still have employment (an employment killer) or higher deficits and debt (the govermental credit card weighing our currency down) are not good options.
You shouldn't project your stereotypes on me. If you read the political forum last year before the election and you'd have seen one of the things I liked most about McCain was his proposition to expand use of nuclear energy. Too bad he hired his ignorant loudmouth nurse to be his running mate.BBum has noted some key goverment contributions (space program, roads, etc), which is true. Atomic weapons are another major govenment contribution - ending WWII sooner and saving millions of lives and protecting our country 24/7. Nuclear power could even relieve a material portion of our energy issues as well. Oh, I forgot, people like BBum don't like that great government contribution.
This country itself is in horrible financial shape. Economically conservative policies like free trade with China and Mexico have raped our nation's middle class of its wealth. When you replace $20/hr manufacturing jobs with $7/hr service jobs at Wal-Mart en masse, of course you're going to have trouble raising the taxes to pay for what's needed in this country.I noticed BBum did not mention the en lement programs already in place are not in good financial shape.
Medicare is expensive because it covers only by FAR the most expensive patients (the elderly). I think it would do wonders for our economy to give the middle class more disposable income by using a system with 3% overhead like medicare instead of making them pay 20%+ to the paper pushers at Cigna or Humana.
This is a problem Germany has. Its doctors are underpaid and overworked. The biggest mistake they made was letting people opt out of it. So, the richest 10% don't pay into the system. I'm fine with paying doctors what they're worth (which is a lot, considering the hours they put in). I'd never argue we should follow a system like Japan's exactly, where doctor pay is awful and health care is so cheap that you have tons of people making 5-10 trips a month to see their doctor. I just don't like this system where a paper-pusher gets to take 20% of what I pay and I have no way to opt out of it without having to subsidize their stinginess in enormous medical bills the uninsured get charged by hospitals.A massive shift in our health care system to the Canada or England model will result in a smaller supply of good doctors. England has to import doctors from all over the world because a domestic doctor shortage - it will happen here as well (it already has to a certain extent).
The public healthcare systems in the rest of the first world are by no means without fault, but they're significantly better than this trainwreck we have where we pay enormous amounts for a system designed to keep us from using it at all costs and limit our access to it.
More projection. I'm actually against suing doctors for anything but malevolence or extreme cases of incompetence. You can't sue the doctor because he doesn't bat 1.000 in life-saving. I hate the idea that a simple mistake can cost a doctor millions and I think it's sickening the amount doctors pay for malpractice insurance. Yet, I didn't bring it up because I don't know that it has done anything for health care costs in Texas after being passed.Shortages are byproduct of price controls and rationed care. I've noticed no mention in the public dialog of cutting healthcare and insurance costs by looking at tort reform. Oh yeah, you can't threaten the money tree of the slip and fall lawyers (95% of them are democrats and fund the democrat party big time).
Kent in Atlanta was trying to educate you guys a little bit. Our goverment is not capable of running car companies, banks, or health care. The dominating presence of Medicare is already controlling a significant portion of the U.S. healthcare system. Cars for Clunkers was another example of goverment screwing something up in a big way. Pissing away another $3B in three weeks.
More of the no we can't mantra that has become the conservative battle cry for years after Saint Ronnie advocated it.
Yeah I'd like to know what's pissing him off too.
Why mix politics with basketball POP? well... because im sure Pop is not one dimensional and doesn't fit in the little box people want to put him in. He was asked the question, so he answered it. He is a real person...
I highly doubt the OP would have such a problem with mixing politics with basketball if Pop agreed with him.
Your reaction is what is wrong with discourse in this nation on anything. You perpetuate the notion that someone you respect could not possibly have an opposing view to the one that you have and that you must vilify him if he does.
What you are really mad at is that maybe someone listening might change his or her mind on this issue because he or she respects Pop. Now, if he was advocating for your position, you would think that was great!
To counter you, I'm glad Pop spoke his mind. And he's right and you're wrong.
Like most people that have more money than they can spend...they don't give a about the middle man who's pocket is often left more thin than anybody elses in these situations.
Rich men will be rich...poor men will be poor...the middle man will either fall into poor man status or luck into fiscal utopia.
You're a goddamn idiot.
Agree 100%.
Way to go, you've got an opinion.
News flash: so does everyone else. Including Pop.
Fortunately, he's not here to run our country. He's here to run our basketball team.
I still wonder why WOAI ask him this instead of you know whats going on with the spurs.
Yeah, really. I know Pop's politics already, because you can read between the lines. But let's stick with basketball.
It actually got Pop to open up and talk instead of his usual "enthusiastic" interviews. It's actually a smart move.
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