Is Dejuan Blair the greatest rookie of all time?

[Culburn369]

He's pretty much the same size as Millsap and he's doing pretty damn well.

Cept Millsap and his ilk (Boozer, et al) can't impact in the playoffs. 6'6" up front is cute & quaint in the first 82, but, thereafter it becomes a concern. Nobody is gonna say that out loud, but, the rank & file are licking their chops.

[all_heart]

Exactly. Thats why I originally said "Wishful thinking", remember?

Non-Spurs fans have more wishful thinking to do than Spurs fans do. Face it -Spurs stole another one again, it's not a coincidence.

[DPG21920]

I dont rip on RJ because Im insecure. I state my opinion of his lack of talents and over-bloated salary and how he'll fit on the Spurs which causes you to grow a vagina.

I also stated how awesome McDyess is and how good I think he'll fit in on the Spurs. Ive also stated that Ive been impressed with Blairs rebounding anticipation skills and awareness around he basket.

Also, I dont remember being ripped by fellow Suns fans besides DOK. And there could be 100 Suns fans on this forum who say Im clueless and I wont give a because its a stupid message board. You need to grow up. What happens in the NBA doesnt REALLY matter and neither does what anyone thinks of you here (another DOK fallacy). Whether or not the Spurs win has no bearing on whether or not you are a "winner" or "loser".

So your opinions are based on facts and logic, while others opinions are breed from insecurity. Got ya. QFT. Also, you don't give a , but you respond to everything, but when others respond, they are worried about being cool on a message board.

at the "you need to grow up" lines from a guy who routinely says "you sound like a ing idiot".

[Culburn369]

Non-Spurs fans have more wishful thinking to do than Spurs fans do. Face it -Spurs stole another one again, it's not a coincidence.

Like when you stole that one with Horry assaulting Nash. At the time I was all hunky & dory with it, but, I've grown to hate a Spur, so I took another ganders at it, and it was das ly. Then to top it all off, Duncan threateningly went onto the floor and away with it scott clean.

TAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[da_suns_fan]

So your opinions are based on facts and logic, while others opinions are breed from insecurity. Got ya. QFT. Also, you don't give a , but you respond to everything, but when others respond, they are worried about being cool on a message board.

at the "you need to grow up" lines from a guy who routinely says "you sound like a ing idiot".

When I tell you "you sound like a ing idiot", I mean "you sound like a ing idiot". As in "you are embarrassing yourself with such ingorant posts". Im trying to help you.

[mardigan]

Cept Millsap and his ilk (Boozer, et al) can't impact in the playoffs. 6'6" up front is cute & quaint in the first 82, but, thereafter it becomes a concern. Nobody is gonna say that out loud, but, the rank & file are licking their chops.

Millsap put up good numbers in last years playoffs, not his fault he has to play with a bunch of players without heart. Besides, my only point was that a player his size could be effective. I'm not expecting him to dominate or anything.

[Culburn369]

Millsap put up good numbers in last years playoffs, not his fault he has to play with a bunch of players without heart. Besides, my only point was that a player his size could be effective. I'm not expecting him to dominate or anything.

But, they marginalized him, mard. Sure, Phil Jackson ain't gonna publicly cite it, he's just gonna take advantage of it.

[da_suns_fan]

Like when you stole that one with Horry assaulting Nash. At the time I was all hunky & dory with it, but, I've grown to hate a Spur, so I took another ganders at it, and it was das ly. Then to top it all off, Duncan threateningly went onto the floor and away with it scott clean.

TAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

must be freezing over. This is coming from the guy who said that he would strap dynamite to his chest and perform a suicide bombing at a Suns championship parade (if it ever happens).

"The enemy of my enemy...."

[DPG21920]

When I tell you "you sound like a ing idiot", I mean "you sound like a ing idiot". As in "you are embarrassing yourself with such ingorant posts". Im trying to help you.

You need to grow up. Instead of slinging insults and trying to sound cool or "clever" you need to stick to the topic.

FYI, you have never said that to me. You say that to others. Clearly, with you saying Ariza is better than RJ, and that Barbosa is better than Joe Johnson, I sound like the idiot.

Also, saying that any one who is a Spur/Laker fan that hates KG is insecure, but the other fans that do are not. Genius.

[Culburn369]

must be freezing over. This is coming from the guy who said that he would strap dynamite to his chest and perform a suicide bombing at a Suns championship parade (if it ever happens).

"The enemy of my enemy...."

No way. I said I'd begrudge that Sun's ringage with all my might (i.e., the dynamite pack), but, upon arrival I'd come in from the lightpole and watch from the fringe as you fellows celebrated with laughter and the inevitable tears of joy.

& I will, if I don't die of old age afore you ring.

[da_suns_fan]

You need to grow up. Instead of slinging insults and trying to sound cool or "clever" you need to stick to the topic.

FYI, you have never said that to me. You say that to others. Clearly, with you saying Ariza is better than RJ, and that Barbosa is better than Joe Johnson, I sound like the idiot.

Also, saying that any one who is a Spur/Laker fan that hates KG is insecure, but the other fans that do are not. Genius.

I said Ariza is better than RJ? I said that Barbosa is better than Joe Johnson? I seem to remember you growing that vagina when I said the Spurs would have been wiser to go after Ariza and saved their cash for a marquee free-agent next year. You claimed that it was crazy anyone could compare Ariza to Jefferson and I pointed out that the world most popular basketball statistician said Ariza was actually more efficent on a per minute basis (Hollinger's PER stats) than Jefferson so it cant be THAT crazy, can it? From there you went to blanket conclusions about Joe Johnson and Barbosa.

btw - You REALLY suck as sarcasm. I mean youre REALLY bad.

[da_suns_fan]

No way. I said I'd begrudge that Sun's ringage with all my might (i.e., the dynamite pack), but, upon arrival I'd come in from the lightpole and watch from the fringe as you fellows celebrated with laughter and the inevitable tears of joy.

& I will, if I don't die of old age afore you ring.

*SIGH*

Why oh why did Robert Sarver's golfing buddies talk him into buying a team?

[DPG21920]

Yes you did. You said that RJ was one dimensional and that Ariza could do much more and had a better PER and you cling to this as if it means something. Then you said you would have to think about taking Barbosa or Joe Johnson.

You suck at life. I mean you really suck.

[all_heart]

Like when you stole that one with Horry assaulting Nash. At the time I was all hunky & dory with it, but, I've grown to hate a Spur, so I took another ganders at it, and it was das ly. Then to top it all off, Duncan threateningly went onto the floor and away with it scott clean.

TAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nash is a puss and tried to sell it unnecessarily. Didn't we beat them in six games anyway.. they had their chance.

[da_suns_fan]

Yes you did. You said that RJ was one dimensional and that Ariza could do much more and had a better PER and you cling to this as if it means something. Then you said you would have to think about taking Barbosa or Joe Johnson.

You suck at life. I mean you really suck.

What I actually said was I would have to think about having LB at 6-7 million versus having Joe Johnson at 14 million. Especially if I was in a position such as the Spurs where they had their eyes on the big man up in Canada.

And I did say that Ariza would have been a better fit. He can the three, rebound, defend and run the floor well. Spurs fans are hoping RJ will be able to "carry the offense", but Jefferson doesnt create well for himself or others. He needs others to set things up for him (and hes a good finisher and decent jump shooter). The paradox is that Parker doesnt set up well for others (he likes to score himself). Ginobili DOES set up well for others, but the point is for Jefferson to carry the offense so they can keep Ginobili on the bench or even give him more games off, isnt it?

On top of that, Jefferson doesnt do anything besides score. This is why his PER is lower than Ariza's. PER rewards people for performing in multiple categories (steals, rebounds, assists etc on a per minute basis). Ariza's is higher because he's much better than Jefferson in all those other categories.

And if that wasnt enough, Jefferson eliminates any possibility of getting Bosh or a replacement for Ginobili next year where Ariza wouldnt have hindered their future plans at all (in fact, it would have given them an all-purpose wing for the future).

[dirk4mvp]

I think most people agree that Blair is not the greatest rookie of all-time, however he works out well, he'll probably fit in the top 10 draft steals of all time.

He's on his way to becoming a solid rebounder and hustle player. That's about it.

[dirk4mvp]

Seriously, are spur fans done talking about Laker fans hyping up Bynum? I don't even think they were as bad as Spur fans are now with Blair.

[DPG21920]

What I actually said was I would have to think about having LB at 6-7 million versus having Joe Johnson at 14 million. Especially if I was in a position such as the Spurs where they had their eyes on the big man up in Canada.

And I did say that Ariza would have been a better fit. He can the three, rebound, defend and run the floor well. Spurs fans are hoping RJ will be able to "carry the offense", but Jefferson doesnt create well for himself or others. He needs others to set things up for him. The paradox is that Parker doesnt set up well for other (he likes to score himself). Ginobili DOES set up well for others, but the point is for Jefferson can carry the offense so they can keep Ginobili on the bench or even give him more games off, isnt it?

On top of that, Jefferson doesnt so anything besides score. This is why his PER is lower than Ariza's. PER rewards people for performing in multiple categories (steals, rebounds, assists etc on a per minute basis). Ariza's is higher because he's much better than Jefferson in all those other categories.

So Leandro Barbosa is > Joe Johnson. It is also funny how DSF said the Spurs should have waited to get Joe Johnson. Why not Barbosa? Because Hollinger says Barbosa is better than Joe Johnson by PER and Joe is way overpaid compared to what a guy like Barbosa can give you. Just like the Ariza vs RJ comparison.

I guess that true. But one thing, if you go to phxsuns.net, you'll see that Ive been on a crusade to trade J-Rich because Ive been trying to point out how ridiculously awesome LB's numbers were as a starter (they completely blow away J-Rich and he's not gonna come off the bench). I feel that LB has paid his dues and deserves to start. So while I dont agree that LB is a better player than JJ, I would say I could understand that their contributions on a per minute basis were similar considering LBs stats are pretty fantastic on a per minute basis. Further, If I had to make a choice between having LB at 6 million versus having JJ at 14, I think you gotta take LB, right? Especially if taking LB meant it would position me to get ANOTHER superstar the following season (as taking Ariza would have positioned the Spurs for next summer).

Also, LB isnt a free agent next season (thank god). Joe Johnson is. Thats why I picked out JJ. Plus, everyone seems to have come to conclusion that Bosh was a pipe-dream (which is convenient considering RJ took them out of the free agent market for next year), so I pointed out that theres a completely obtainable All-Star available who will go ANYWHERE for the right price. But that option is history because the Spurs "put all their eggs in one basket" by trading for RJ even though a cheaper, younger, better suited player was available in Trevor Ariza.

There is what you said. This whole quote is full of b.s.

1)Spurs could not have given the MLE to a guy like Ariza and signed another superstar next year.

2) Ariza is not better suited

3) Under no cir stances do you consider taking Barbosa over Joe.

[TheMACHINE]

Blair > Bynum > Chamberlain

[DPG21920]

So saying that RJ can't do anything but score, but Ariza can hit the three, rebound, defend and run the floor well, is not saying Ariza is better than RJ?

[da_suns_fan]

The post above is the single greatest piece of self-ownage Ive ever read.

Where do I contradict myself or change my opinion? What point are you trying to make by using my past quotes? Are you trying to prove that I am consistent? Do you understand how bad you just failed?

[dirk4mvp]

Blair > Bynum > Chamberlain

no question. Remember that one time Blair flipped Thabeet in college? It was all bad ass and stuff and showed his gritty toughness.

[da_suns_fan]

So saying that RJ can't do anything but score, but Ariza can hit the three, rebound, defend and run the floor well, is not saying Ariza is better than RJ?

Depends on how much you value "scoring" versus other categories. And again, I never said Ariza was better than RJ, did I?

[DPG21920]

Do you even follow your own arguments?

I say "you said you would consider taking LB over JJ"

You "no"

I post and underline where you say that.

Then you give all of this "analysis" on why RJ was bad.

I say it is wrong, quote it and explain why.

You say " oh man, self ownage".

You have no idea what you are talking about. I guess that comes with being a Suns fan and watching that garbage team with that garbage front office.

Adding RJ might not be enough to beat the Lakers, but that does not mean it was a mistake.

Wow.


And again, no one refutes my points, just more ad-hominem arguments.

he is a near allstar, can create his own plays, can defend the bigger guards/SF, can score 20ppg and shoots 40%+ from 3.

yeah, he does not fit our needs at all

1) He's NEVER been an all-star and I doubt he ever will be in his career.

2) He cant create his own plays. He has poor ball handling, makes bad decisions and cant go to his left. Hes more athlete than basketball player.

3) Defend bigger guards? Better than who? Ginobili? Finley? Certainly not Bowen. You think Jefferson is gonna make a difference against Kobe Bryant? You think he's gonna defend Nash as well as Bowen did? Bowen is retired so that point might be completely mute, but Jefferson is no elite defender. Hollinger's latest scouting report points out how little effot he gives chasing through screens. If Boston and LA are the Spurs' main compe ion, I'll take Ray Allen and Kobe's chances against Richard Jefferson any day of the week.

4) Im sure he'll shoot 40% from 3 in the corners. And it only cost you 29 million dollars (for two seasons).

Now lets say the Spurs signed Ariza. T.A. plays defense just as good as RJ. In fact, I'd say hes more natural defender than RJ. Ariza can hit the three pointer and he's even proven he can do it in clutch times like the finals. Ariza rebounds very well for a 3 and runs the floor just as well as RJ.

Biggest difference? Ariza does a lot more when he's not scoring and costs about 1/3 the price.

There is no need to explain things to someone like you. You can say throw away lines such as "grow up, ", but the fact of the matter is you are either trolling or you are so dumb with regards to basketball nothing anyone will say can help you.

Being a Suns fan has certainly not helped you.

Sounds like your upset because I bust your bubble. I would love to hear any additional reasons you think Jefferson was a good move or worth the price.

Then again, you think Im too stupid to understand.

I guess Hollinger is too stupid too:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...seasonType%3d2

Maybe I should apply at ESPN. I didnt even need any fancy SQL queries to come to my conclusions.

Yeah, you're awesome. You've also convinced yourself that your right, you're not actually listening to other people's arguments as opposed to just shooting them down out of spite, and you apparently love to agree with yourself.

I dont know about you, but I'll take the 15th best SF (based off of PER) in the league as my 4th man. , chances are, him not being the go to guy will probably help him increase his PER if anything. Nevermind that him and the GREAT Artest are only separated by a mere 2 tenths of a point in that category.

This one is funny. Do you know what the word "fact" means? I dont want to be too mean, but the idiocy is someone claiming that it is a "fact" that anyone is a "near" all-star is humorous. Whether or not he is a near all-star is completely subjective. The only FACT is that he's never made an all-star team. And I doubt he ever will.




Not just mine. Dont forget that two teams have already bailed on Jefferson. One for cap space.






More with the "facts" game. I cant disprove that Jefferson defends bigger guards/sf anymoe than you can prove it so I'll leave it alone. But Im pretty sure Kobe's gonna do whatever he wants against Richard Jefferson.





It actually one of two needs I think he fills for the Spurs. Corner three point shooting and runs the floor well.





Are we talking about salaries? Cuz RJ makes well over twice as much. Ariza certainly rebounds and produces a greater amount of steals than RJ. RJ is a better jump shooter. Thats probably it.




Just cuz you slob all over anyone in sliver and black doesnt mean I have any man love for Hollinger. Im not the biggest Hollinger fan, but I have to give Kudos for PERFECTLY stating my point. Maybe theres something to his analysis.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...seasonType%3d2

Keep in mind, RJ was often the first option on his last team. I hope I dont have to explain myself by saying that.

Was Jason richardson ever the first option on a team? and if so, what was his PER at that time?

Everyone answered you, but you just ignored it. You sound dumb. Then you cling to Hollinger like it is gold and when Hollinger is used against you to make a point (Barbosa's PER vs JJ's PER), you back pedal and say even dumber like "at the price, you would have to take Barbosa over JJ, right"? Wrong .

[DPG21920]

Depends on how much you value "scoring" versus other categories. And again, I never said Ariza was better than RJ, did I?

If I say Player "X" can only shoot ok, and then I say Player "Y" can shoot, run the floor, handle the ball and defend very well, which player would you think is the better player?