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Something I have been preaching to the choir all summer. Good to hear it from someone else that knows what their talking about.
If Manu is healthy and playing his aggressive, helter-skelter style (which is a good thing), then I suppose I can see how Finley's minimalist approach to the game is helpful. As Hollinger (or another PER analyst) mentioned, Finley doesn't make any mistakes, yet he hardly contributes much outside of the open jumpshot and passing the ball to the open man. Obviously, Pop loves that Finley plays perfectly within the system, yet we need a player who is able to do more than just pass the ball and hit the occasional jumpshot. Pop sees Finley as someone who never makes mistakes; I consider him someone who doesn't offer a lot to the team. However, I do think his poise is quite helpful for executing during a last second play and other specific moments.
What we as fans don't see is Finley the respected lockerroom leader, and that is something Pop obviously appreciates. Finley is a positive part of Spurs culture so its good that he's around (I guess), but I do think he will take minutes from other players who could benefit from the playing time. Until proven otherwise, I expect him to play more than he should. When has he not?
Something I have been preaching to the choir all summer. Good to hear it from someone else that knows what their talking about.
Finley gets undeserved hate by morons on this board.
Dejuan Blair was 6 years old when Fin got drafted
Despite everything, I'm glad Mike is still a Spur. I still remember how excited I was on Aug 31 2005 when he announced. I wish I could have seen what SpursTalk looked like that day.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/finley_050902.html
Finley Picks Spurs !!!!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24269
That thread is a true classic. Everyone laughing at the Mavs and Heat and claiming scoreboard.
Little did we know that our championship would not be defended, and we would in fact become the Mavs' , and the Heat would win the championship.
Both of the teams that missed out on Finley, were better than the Spurs, and the only championship we have won since, was one where we were lucky to duck the Mavs.
That thread is like the last time we weren't the Mavs' official ...a moment in time, crystalized in that thread.
That demarcation point, of us not only not getting better at that point, but actually becoming the Mavs' , is just a little too coincidental, and coincidences like that tend to follow Finley around...
It's just like Dallas losing 21 in a row to LA in LA and when does the streak end? When Finley missed a game with injury.
I realize Ultimate Victim, or should I say, False Leader, has his fans...
But the fact of the matter is, even if you don't believe his on court game hurts us, it's undeniable reality that Pop's fondess for putting him on PFs has lead to Dirk becoming Wilt against us...and guys like Brandon Bass becoming X-Factor in elimination games. It is definitely because of him whether you think it's his game that's causing it or not.
Also this...there is not a shred of evidence anywhere the Finley will play well in a reduced role and mountain to the contrary.
He certainly hasn't played well in reduced role up to this point in his Spurs' career, something everyone has conveniently forgotten, and he is a classic volume shooter and that is the toughest bench jump of them all.
But the most jarring thing about this is Pop considers his contributions invaluable...
Invaluable to what? Futility?
Anyway, Mike the Ultimate Victin Finley is king of mesmerization...but I still have hope the spell will fade soon. Then again, I'm not sure anyone has ever cast a spell to the degree Finley has, and this includes religious figures and dictators....so who knows if it is even capable of fading,.
Last edited by whottt; 10-19-2009 at 12:44 AM.
I may be a Fin hater, but props on the post. If Fin can do awesome as the 5th/6th SG/SF, I'm glad. But if he is still in the top 4 come the POs, the above 3 better play 85 minutes. But then Hairston would be screwed (I know he isn't an official Spur yet).
Oh, and whottttt and his craziness is back, the season must be almost here.
when the spurs signed i thought it be for a short term only
his first year we were jobbed cause of ginos last play
2nd year he got wnat he came for
3rd year he n suck and spurs gave him a extention
4th year waiting for him to be traded....
Pop's micro-management of players (make a mistake, hit the pine) doesn't seem to extend to Finley, who gets a free pass because...why? This is what's frustrating to a lot of fans I think.
Finley at 10-15 minutes a game, I'll believe it when I see it.
Surprising how many of us seem to have forgotten why Manu went back to the bench the second time, and it's because Finley couldn't play worth a crap unless he was starting.
With all the times Manu went from starting to the bench and back, I have no idea what point in which season you are referring to. Could you provide a little more detail, please. Thanks.
It was an opinion of Timvp's that most unoriginal people on this board took and ran with as usual.
I don't agree with it.
If a player can play he can play. Finley's numbers have been quite consistent over the 4 years he's been here and his first two years he came off the bench for just about the whole year. At the same time,there were plenty of games where he started the past two years and played bad. If a player can play he can play. Whether its from the bench or starting, the results will be relative over the course of time as long as the minutes and opportunities are roughly the same.
In my mind Manu has gone to the bench to always give the bench a " punch" as Pop would say.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-19-2009 at 06:55 AM.
All that debate aside, I'm just curious what OV means by the 'second' time. My best guess is that he is referring to some point in 06-07, but I'm really not sure
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/M...4_html799.html
Makes OV's unoriginal opinion somewhat lackluster.
That point in 06-07 is about what I thought, but that time frame doesn't really jive with OV's post. I'll just have to wait and see if he comes back into the thread and provides an answer.
This one is so stupid it's funny.
Obstucted BrainSurprising how many of us seem to have forgotten why Manu went back to the bench the second time, and it's because Finley couldn't play worth a crap unless he was starting.
Come on, Fabbs. Just three names.
Yourself, Phil Jackson and Kori Ellis.
I'm working on other stuff, I'll give you three more in a moment.
Mike Buhlz the assistant too.
Here is what you posted when Finley signed:Even if that were true -- you need TWO wing players on the floor. So Bowen and ... who did you want the Spurs to play? Udoka?
Finley can miss a few games and no one will sweat it - the Spurs are four/five players deep on the wings.
Typical answer. You always come back with some BS, promise a serious answer and never deliver. You would think after all these years of Pop hating, you could name your top 3 choices to have guided the Spurs in the post-2006 years.
Weak Flabby, very weak.
From the Finley signs thread:
1. timvp2. T ParkThe scary thing is Finley might be the best player on the team at guarding Amare Stoudemire.3.timvplol.
Did Finley actually have a go at guarding him?4. sa_buttaYeah, and he guarded him better than anyone on the Spurs.5. timvpwouldnt Duncan match up with Amare?
or are you saying switching on D. Finley would
be giving up 3 inches.and whottt gave us a quote from Findawgs agent...Yeah, Duncan or another big will probably guard Amare. But if the Spurs go small, Finley has shown that he can hang with the beast.On WOAI Finley's agent said part of the reason he signed with the Spurs over the Heat was that he'll get more chances to punish the Mavs playing for the Spurs...
bumpworthy indeed.
This post got absolutely ripped:
What a nightmare. The spurs throw in one of their best role players in Brent Barry in place of old in Michael Finley. This will guarantee the Heat will win the championship. I guess Poppovich is stupid because I never thought he would do this. Van Exel should retire. He hasn't done crap for Portland. Last I remember Portland didn't make the playoffs. Congratulations in trying to give the heat the championship.
Here was a funny one:
Captain LateThank heavens Scola couldn't afford to come over this year. hehehe
You think yourself would make a weak, very weak coach? Okay, self ownage but okay.
Phil Jackson? typical SpurFan homer hate response. And I'm not in love with Phils coaching but he rules Pop.
Kori Ellis i think she's got a lot more coaching skills then you might know.
Mike Budenholzer maybe not now that he's allowed himself to become a submissified wimp to Pop but i think he has skills, could have done it in 06.
I agree. If he has game, it really doesn't matter.
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