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you want to help yoni, micca?
don't be shy......let him know how you feel.
Chimp is that you ?
you want to help yoni, micca?
don't be shy......let him know how you feel.
You show me the numbers, if you like. I was stating an opinion of a subject that has several unknowns but for which there are probably more sensational anecdotes to support my position than the other.
In a one-to-one comparison, an innocent person, kidnapped, raped, and murdered by a former ward of the State is a million times more heinous and reprehensible an act of government than is the execution of a person who either ran with the wrong crowd or, even for reasons beyond his control, was unable to extricate him/herself from their fate.
They're both tragic but, as a prosecutor or judge, I'd get less sleep knowing my efforts failed at the former than the latter.
No, it doesn't. Lifers still commit murder in prison.
Then, taken to the next logical step, isolation could be considered cruel and unusual.
i think you're not a prosecutor or a judge.
no big deal......now i'm more interested in micca's feelings for you.
what your...not...interested ..in my feelings for you?
and that IS you Chimp...p.s. the IRA
I think that this is an issue best left to the individual states. I for one, am against taking life, no matter the cir stances.
However, I am sure my feelings would change if it were one of my kids found in the back of a garbage truck or dumpyard.
It's called "solitary confinement", and we already have that too.
yeah torturing people with solitary confinment protects the general population of the prison, but it is cruel, I feel it's far more human to just toast their asses and move on.
They're not truly isolated. And, they still murder people...usually prison guards or medical staff.
Yes. But not for a deterent. Because as a society we should decide what laws, that are so bad, should take people out for good. I believe that any kind of premeditated murder should be available for prosecuters. However I would not stop there. I think we should include child molesters when the child is at a very young level. Besides the idea that it is a terrible crime, it has been proven that the criminal, at a large percentage, will do it again. I am not saying putting to death a senior dating a sophmore. I think at the extreme level should be a capital offense.
I also believe that we should work to fix our system if even one criminal is convicted when they are innocent. We should always be working to better the process without competely wanting to do away with it.
Nay.
Costs too damn much.
Definitely yes. I had no problem with Ted Bundy being fried. And when they catch the sick SOB who kidnapped and murdered Somer Thomsen - I think her mother ought to be able to flip the switch.
Sure, if you know beyond all doubt they are guilty, what else are you supposed to do with them?
Pay for their room and board? Where they actually live better in terms of food and shelter than homeless non-criminals?
Does that really make any sense?
Blow the whole thing off? Hope it doesn't happen again?
That's irresponsible, and stupid.
So yeah, but the flipside is this....there need to be reprecussions for convicting and executing innocent people, in particular the judges and the attorneys.
Any judges or attorneys that send an innocent man to prison or execute him should lose their ability to ever make such decisions again, because that is the worst mistake you can make. And irresponsibly doing it is no different than irresponsibly getting in your car drunk and hitting someone.
Yes there are exceptions, but generally speaking that's the way it should be to me.
It should be an option, a solution, it should not be an easy one however, and it should be something people are hesitant to do. It should not be something they can never do....because sometimes it is the only solution.
nay.
the state should never have a right to kill, unless in wartime.
the other way leaves too many open holes for misinterpretation and wrongful executions.
plus when you leave that window open, there is the real opportunity to kill dissent.
but i wish i had a better idea for punishment for capital offenders...life in a work camp building something to pay the victims family? i dunno.
No.
But I don't lose any sleep over it.
Yes
Simply imprisoning them for life is too dangerous for us. Think of all the CO2 they will produce without contributing anything to society. For the good of the planet we must kill them.
True I guess.
I just think that only a small percentage should be executed. Like there are some murderers who do the public killings and so many people see. I mean it was obviously him and hes done a heinous act and replaced his 'human' label with a 's ' label
So what do you think of this?
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - The mastermind of the 2002 Washington, DC-area sniper attacks will die by lethal injection next month, Virginia officials said Tuesday.
John Allen Muhammad declined to choose between lethal injection and electrocution, so under state law the method defaults to lethal injection, Virginia Department of Corrections spokesman Larry Traylor said.
Muhammad is scheduled to be executed Nov. 10 for the October 2002 slaying of Dean Harold Meyers at a Manassas gas station during a string of shootings.
The three-week killing spree in October 2002 left 10 dead in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia.
Muhammad and his teenage accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, were also suspected of shootings in several other states, including a killing in Louisiana and another in Alabama. Malvo is serving a life sentence in prison.
Muhammad's lawyers have asked the Virginia governor for clemency and plan to file an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court early next month.
I think it's a shame the teenager Malvo isn't going to be executed right along with him.
We still don't execute children. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
You can measure a society's civilization on its laws, punishments, and prisons.... We are pretty crappy on all fronts here - I think the death penalty is okay in some cases, but in others is downright wrong. A black man that committs a crime is 4 times more likely than a white man that committted a similar crime, to receive the death penalty... Similar tendencies for age, sex, and nationality reek amongst our courts. I prefer to have those people suffer, not die.
We draw various lines, some more arbitrary than others. The Roper line is pretty arbitrary, if you ask me.
any of you big time pro-death (who are probably ironically anti-abortion) people ever just scroll some of the stories on: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
pretty crazy stuff. i'm not defending them, as i don't know the whole story, but some of them, you can almost feel for if you just read the profile. almost all don't have a high school education, almost all are listed as laborers or some other blue collar job. it makes you wonder about their upbringing, if they would have been given the same shot towards a decent education and adequate human services (food, shelter, health) would they have made some of the same choices that they did?
true there are some pure s , see: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/shoreanthony.htm
but there is also the rare case of bad idea gone bat out of control bad like:http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/espadanoah.htm
i'm not saying that these people on this list should be punished, severely, i was just thinking that there has to be a better way...it also makes you wonder as you scroll to the bottom how many might be there under false cir stances or didn't get the best representation in court.
i dunno i might just be ranting here.
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