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    Adding Jackson doesn't guarantee a championship.

    Standing pay doesn't either.

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    Refer to post 106.

    6 deep on the wing is plenty of depth. Just as much depth than the other contenders offer.

    Jackson
    Jefferson
    Manu
    Bogans
    Hairston
    Hill

    And possibly Finley

    Would make it 7

    Orlando
    Carter
    Pietrus
    Barnes
    Lewis
    Red


    Cleveland
    Lebron
    Parker
    Moon
    West
    Gibson

    Lakers
    Kobe
    Artest
    Sasha
    Walton
    Morrison
    Brown

    Celtics

    Pierce
    Allen
    Daniels
    House
    Giddons
    Walker

    You get my point. 6 deep is enough to get through the season.

    To answer your question

    We can make an entire forum on What if's.
    Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-28-2009 at 06:18 PM.

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    In 2012-13, assuming Tim retires, I want this team going into the lottery.
    I also want it. I don't consider Parker as a player able to be the franchsie player of a contender.

    When you rebuild, it's way better to have cap space than to pay $10M for a 35 years old Jackson. You can keep the cap space open if the team struggle financially or you can use it to get assets. With cap space, Presti got 3 first round picks with Kurt Thomas.

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    Manu for Jackson is a nice joke.

    Some of the other scenarios developed here might be interesting, though. Considering it's Nellie we would be trading with I agree that he would be high on Bonner. That way we might lose only one wing player (probably Mason Jr.). I really think Bonner and Roger could be good players in Nellie's system.

    Jax is only 31, so I guess it shouldn't be that hard to trade his contract in 2 or 3 years.

    Considering recent trades like the ones that brought RJ to San Antonio or Marion to Dallas, I wouldn't be that surprised if Jax was offered for expiring contracts and maybe some picks (depending on how bad the Warriors want him gone, of course).

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    When you look at Jackson, you see some big shots in 2003 and against Mavs in 2007.

    When I look at Jackson, I see also all the inconsistency on and off the court. For example, just after being great with Mavs, he was horrible against Utah. His FG% was 28% in that series.

    And not caring about 2012-2013 is quite irresponsible.
    When I look at Jackson, I see a big guard who can get easy baskets cutting to the hoop and catching passes from Duncan (like he did all the time for the Spurs in 03). I see a long 2/3 who can be thrown against Dirk. I see a guy with great size who can always get his shot off. And yes, I see a guy who has consistently been a big performer in the toughest pressure moments. Jackson is a versatile player who would give this team some really incredible size that would be tough to match up with.

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    Why why why do people keep calling SJax's contract atrocious or horrible? Find me another player that is coming off of a 20-6-5 season and that is a good defender that will make under 8 mill this season. A player of his skillset and talent is usually making twice that, just look at guys like RJ and Rashard Lewis.

    And yea the contract is for four years but who cares, we're all in right now. I could care less about the four years from now. As a fan using his contract as a reason to not want him is just stupid leave that to the owner. I wouldnt trade Manu but Mason+Bonner is a no brainer if the Warriors bite.

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    My guess for the Jackson trade is Jackson and Claxton for Peja.
    This is one of the last things the Spurs need.

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    I also want it. I don't consider Parker as a player able to be the franchsie player of a contender.

    When you rebuild, it's way better to have cap space than to pay $10M for a 35 years old Jackson. You can keep the cap space open if the team struggle financially or you can use it to get assets. With cap space, Presti got 3 first round picks with Kurt Thomas.
    That's true, but it's not like he's on a 7 year deal or something. One year of being a cap albatross after Tim retires is something I'm willing to accept to try to make the best effort to win at least one more in the final 2-3 years of this team's window.

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    The acquisition of Jackson would also force Kobe to play at both ends of the floor for every minute he plays.
    A rotation of Jackson/ Jefferson/ Manu would make that happen.

    I'm all for making Kobe carrying the load offensively and having to guard somebody at all times.

    The same can't be said when Mason and Finley get quality playing time.

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    This is one of the last things the Spurs need.
    Yeah that would actually vault New Orleans back into relevancy for coming out of the west IMO.

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    that's true, but it's not like he's on a 7 year deal or something. One year of being a cap albatross after tim retires is something i'm willing to accept to try to make the best effort to win at least one more in the final 2-3 years of this team's window.
    +1

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    Bonner is a big?

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    He's like having a seven footer in GS....

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    I think if the Spurs can get Jackson for Mason Jr., Finley, Mahinimi, 1st round pick you do it right now. I'm actually not sure about trading Bonner, but I would probably include him to with any of the players mentioned above. For some reason I am starting to see some value in Bonner as a 3rd or 4th big.

    I've wanted Jackson back since after the 2004 season and think this would make us so dangerous.

    No way I give Goldenstate Manu or Hill for him though. As for Splitter's rights that would require that Goldenstate give us a very good big back as well.

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    It helps though. It isn't like we are talking about a Vince Carter contract here. Jack put up similar numbers to Jefferson last season and he has half the price tag per season. A 20 point per game scorer and a long athletic defender for 7 million a year is a good deal.
    His defense alone is an upgrade over the players we'd be trading for him.

    So Bruno said he could shoot 28% in a series. I doubt that happens here as he should get better looks. If anyone of those other guys shoot 28% in a series they still wouldn't provide the defense and intangibles that Sjax would.

    I really think Bonner would be a pretty good fit there, but I'm not so sure I want to include him in a trade with out getting any sort of big back.
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    When you look at Jackson, you see some big shots in 2003 and against Mavs in 2007.

    When I look at Jackson, I see also all the inconsistency on and off the court. For example, just after being great with Mavs, he was horrible against Utah. His FG% was 28% in that series.

    And not caring about 2012-2013 is quite irresponsible.
    Screw FG%, the bottom line is that number goes up to about 70% in the clutch. When you look at SJax you see one series of bad FG% numbers. I see one of the clutchest mofos in the league. Um, yes please.

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    lol, GS. Nellie would have Ginobili under the knife and out for the year by January playing him 40 minutes a night.

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    I like sjax, but not for that price.
    Word to that.

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    Hey guys Spurs game is on just wanted to let you know

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    Trade Manu

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    Forget SJax - we don't need a headcase like him. This year's team is going to be great - without adding SJax.

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    Don't screw this team up!

    Leave well enough alone. The roster is legit. No need to fix something that isn't broken.

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    And if there were even rumors of trading Manu, San Antonio fans would riot!

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    It's not terrible. Long yeah. Terrible no.

    7.6 million this year and 8.2 next year is great value for the type of player Stephen Jackson is.

    If it were to come down to it and we needed to get rid of it in 3 years that shouldn't be a problem.Especially to a contender. We did get rid of Malik and Rasho's horrendous contract you know.
    Look again. You forgot the $9,256,500 in 2011/12 and $10,059,750 in 2012/13. Thats too long a commitment for a player that will be in his mid-30s, and who we assume will continue to put up current numbers.

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    Look again. You forgot the $9,256,500 in 2011/12 and $10,059,750 in 2012/13. Thats too long a commitment for a player that will be in his mid-30s, and who we assume will continue to put up current numbers.
    Right cause were all worried about the big cap space in 2012

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    Win now.

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