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[Findog]

Why weren't the Spurs more interested in Marion? timvp asked the question once as to why the Mavs went after Marion instead of RJ, and I thought it had something to do with Marion's ability to guard multiple positions. Wouldn't Marion have been a good fit with the Spurs with his versatility? Or would he be lost in half-court sets?

[da_suns_fan]

Not only does your logic suck, so does your math. The only way for the Spurs to be in position to offer a max contract in 2010 would have been to not use the MLE this year, make no trades to take on any future obligations, and renounce Manu next year.
So they would have given up any chance at contending this year in return for a chance at a FA in 2010.

Um..DUH!!! Thats the point! Manu is all but done and they could rebuild without missing a beat.

[hater]

Why weren't the Spurs more interested in Marion? timvp asked the question once as to why the Mavs went after Marion instead of RJ, and I thought it had something to do with Marion's ability to guard multiple positions. Wouldn't Marion have been a good fit with the Spurs with his versatility? Or would he be lost in half-court sets?

Marion chokes in the playoffs as you will see first hand

[da_suns_fan]

Why weren't the Spurs more interested in Marion? timvp asked the question once as to why the Mavs went after Marion instead of RJ, and I thought it had something to do with Marion's ability to guard multiple positions. Wouldn't Marion have been a good fit with the Spurs with his versatility? Or would he be lost in half-court sets?

He probably would have fit in much better. He can do a lot more when he's not scoring yet still get out on the break and hit the corner 3 etc.

And cost half as much.

[Mel_13]

Um..DUH!!! Thats the point! Manu is all but done and they could rebuild without missing a beat.

So give up on 2009-10 and bet on adding a FA to Tim and Tony in 2010. Even if you got a good one, it's Tim, Tony, the FA, and a bunch of minimum salaried players.

That means abandoning any hope of contending this year or next. The Spurs would have given up whatever may be left in Tim's tank.

Brilliant.

[da_suns_fan]

So give up on 2009-10 and bet on adding a FA to Tim and Tony in 2010. Even if you got a good one, it's Tim, Tony, the FA, and a bunch of minimum salaried players.

That means abandoning any hope of contending this year or next. The Spurs would have given up whatever may be left in Tim's tank.

Brilliant.

Now YOUR math is all messed up.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

The Spurs are at 54 million next year WITH Jefferson's salary. Replace McDyess' salary with Ariza and you could have had Parker, Joe Johnson, Trever Ariza, Blair, Tim Duncan and at the VERY LEAST, another MLE player from next year's FA market.

, that might be enough to get Ginobili (although that might be a stretch).

btw - the Spurs arent beating the Lakers this year. Not without substantial injuries to LA, anyway.

[Agloco]

Um..DUH!!! Thats the point! Manu is all but done and they could rebuild without missing a beat.

Yes, Manu looks done to me. Quit being dumb.

[da_suns_fan]

Yes, Manu looks done to me. Quit being dumb.

He cant be a cornerstone anymore. Adding Richard Jefferson wasnt the answer.

[Mel_13]

Now YOUR math is all messed up.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

The Spurs are at 54 million next year WITH Jefferson's salary. Replace McDyess' salary with Ariza and you could have had Parker, Joe Johnson, Trevero Ariza Tim Duncan and at the VERY LEAST, another MLE player from next year's FA market.

, that might be enough to get Ginobili (although that might be a stretch).

btw - the Spurs arent beating the Lakers this year. Not without substantial injuries to LA, anyway.

1. Ariza was a logical impossibility.

2. You don't understand the CBA or pay attention to current projections for next summer's salary cap.

3. Tim, Tony, MLE player, and required cap holds would make it impossible to sign a max FA next summer

You may very well be right about the Spurs chances v. the Lakers this year. I'm happy my team decided to try. Unlike some others.

[EricB]

Christ Bosh wasn't coming to SA.

If a FA is a less guaranteed thing but you have the possibility of a guaranteed in a trade for a guy like Jefferson you take the trade. No brainer.

[da_suns_fan]

1. Ariza was a logical impossibility.

You dont understand what "logical" means. Or "impossible" for that matter. That sentence was just embarrassing.

2. You don't understand the CBA or pay attention to current projections for next summer's salary cap.

Actually I do. I posted the link for you, remember?

3. Tim, Tony, MLE player, and required cap holds would make it impossible to sign a max FA next summer

You may very well be right about the Spurs chances v. the Lakers this year. I'm happy my team decided to try. Unlike some others.

Again, it appears you dont know what "impossible" means.

[da_suns_fan]

Christ Bosh wasn't coming to SA.

If a FA is a less guaranteed thing but you have the possibility of a guaranteed in a trade for a guy like Jefferson you take the trade. No brainer.

This is what Im talking about.

"Do we take on a bad contract for a guy who is a volume shooter whose stats will INEVITABLY go down since he wont get any shots here and thus will then become UNTRADEABLE and prevent us from making any moves in the future or should we go after a free agent in Ariza who doesnt have any of those negatives. .......NO BRAINER! LETS GET JEFFERSON!!!"

btw - Joe Johnson will go anywhere. Ive already said this. And theres a TON of FA's next year. I believe most of them are a better option than Jefferson.

[EricB]

This is what Im talking about.

"Do we take on a bad contract for a guy who is a volume shooter whose stats will INEVITABLY go down since he wont get any shots here and thus will then become UNTRADEABLE and prevent us from making any moves in the future or should we go after a free agent in Ariza who doesnt have any of those negatives. .......NO BRAINER! LETS GET JEFFERSON!!!"

btw - Joe Johnson will go anywhere. Ive already said this. And theres a TON of FA's next year. I believe most of them are a better option than Jefferson.

This is what your talking about?


The Spurs tried this in 2003 and failed.

Trades for proven players > gambling on FA.

90% of the time the players stay in the original city that they were in. Its that simple.

[bobby4germany]

LOL @ Suns fans trying to tell the Spurs how to run an organization!!!

[da_suns_fan]

This is what your talking about?


The Spurs tried this in 2003 and failed.

Trades for proven players > gambling on FA.

90% of the time the players stay in the original city that they were in. Its that simple.

90% huh?

Tell that to Joe Johnson. Or Lamar Odom. Or Elton Brand. Or Baron Davis. Or Rasheed Wallace. Or Steve Nash. Or Grant Hill. Or Tracy McGrady. Or Shaquille Oneal. Or Hedo Turkolu (spelling). Or Rashard Lewis etc. etc. etc.

I guess if the Spurs failed in 2003 on Jason Kidd it means they'll never succeed in the future.

[da_suns_fan]

LOL @ Suns fans trying to tell the Spurs how to run an organization!!!

LOL @ the guy who thinks the Suns listen to their fans. Do the Spurs listen to you?

[CGD]

Why weren't the Spurs more interested in Marion? timvp asked the question once as to why the Mavs went after Marion instead of RJ, and I thought it had something to do with Marion's ability to guard multiple positions. Wouldn't Marion have been a good fit with the Spurs with his versatility? Or would he be lost in half-court sets?

This is a good question. I think the Spurs ultimately believe Marion's game would not mesh with a half-court driven offense. Marion is most effective when running, which helps explain his relatively pedestrian numbers since parting ways with the Suns and Nash. I think Dallas is the perfect fit for Marion, and I don't think Spurs fans have the requisite respect for Dallas.

[Findog]

This is a good question. I think the Spurs ultimately believe Marion's game would not mesh with a half-court driven offense. Marion is most effective when running, which helps explain his relatively pedestrian numbers since parting ways with the Suns and Nash. I think Dallas is the perfect fit for Marion, and I don't think Spurs fans have the requisite respect for Dallas.

Great post. Cheers

[Mel_13]

You dont understand what "logical" means. Or "impossible" for that matter. That sentence was just embarrassing.



Actually I do. I posted the link for you, remember?




Again, it appears you dont know what "impossible" means.

You really are a special kind of dumb.

If you still maintain that the Spurs could have signed an MLE player this year and been able to sign a max FA next summer, you really have no clue about how the CBA works or what is projected for next summer. There's really no point in going any further.

As to Ariza. The RJ trade was made on June 24th. On that date, only the Houston Rockets knew that Ron Artest would be a FA. Every other FO in the NBA assumed that Ariza would stay in LA unless he was offered a contract well in excess of the MLE. The Spurs could only offer the MLE.

The Spurs had two critical pieces to use in a salary dump transaction, the partially guaranteed contracts of Bowen and Oberto. Oberto's option had to be exercised by July 1st. To use those two assets together, the Spurs had to complete a trade before July 1st. The news about Artest went public on July 1st.

Given that sequence of events, no rational FO in the Spurs' cir stances would bank on the extreme longshot that Ariza would leave LA for the MLE.

Have I typed slow enough for you?

[Findog]

^ If anything, the cap is expected to drop. That's affecting a lot of teams plans to reload. 2010 is going to be much hype about little.

[EricB]

90% huh?

Tell that to Joe Johnson. Or Lamar Odom. Or Elton Brand. Or Baron Davis. Or Rasheed Wallace. Or Steve Nash. Or Grant Hill. Or Tracy McGrady. Or Shaquille Oneal. Or Hedo Turkolu (spelling). Or Rashard Lewis etc. etc. etc.

I guess if the Spurs failed in 2003 on Jason Kidd it means they'll never succeed in the future.

Jermaine O'Neal, Jason Kidd ring a bell?

[da_suns_fan]

You really are a special kind of dumb.

If you still maintain that the Spurs could have signed an MLE player this year and been able to sign a max FA next summer, you really have no clue about how the CBA works or what is projected for next summer. There's really no point in going any further.

As to Ariza. The RJ trade was made on June 24th. On that date, only the Houston Rockets knew that Ron Artest would be a FA. Every other FO in the NBA assumed that Ariza would stay in LA unless he was offered a contract well in excess of the MLE. The Spurs could only offer the MLE.

The Spurs had two critical pieces to use in a salary dump transaction, the partially guaranteed contracts of Bowen and Oberto. Oberto's option had to be exercised by July 1st. To use those two assets together, the Spurs had to complete a trade before July 1st. The news about Artest went public on July 1st.

Given that sequence of events, no rational FO in the Spurs' cir stances would bank on the extreme longshot that Ariza would leave LA for the MLE.

Have I typed slow enough for you?

It takes a special kind of dumb to say that getting Ariza would have been a "logical impossibility" when the Rockets did it with the same MLE the Spurs used on McDyess (who I like btw, just not as much as Ariza). NO ONE could have seen that coming! It just seemed so illogical!!!!! Its not like there was a MILLION freaking articles over the summer speculating that the Lakers were gonna let Ariza walk.

Did I type slow enough for you, asshole?

[Mel_13]

It takes a special kind of dumb to say that getting Ariza would have been a "logical impossibility" when the Rockets did it with the same MLE the Spurs used on McDyess (who I like btw, just not as much as Ariza).

As if Ariza leaving the Lakers was so far-fetchd anyone would call it an "impossibilty". Like there wasnt a million articles over the summer speculating that they werent willing to use the full MLE on him.

Did I type slow enough for you, asshole?

[DPG21920]

da_suns_fan showing off his brilliance again. Here comes the "I am owning you so bad it is not even funny " comments out of no where. Just kind of sprinkled throughout randomly where it certainly does not apply.

[da_suns_fan]

da_suns_fan showing off his brilliance again. Here comes the "I am owning you so bad it is not even funny " comments out of no where. Just kind of sprinkled throughout randomly where it certainly does not apply.

Ignoring this TROLL again in 3....2....1.....