How is doing?

[DJB]

He's sucking more ass than Marion in a spurs-suns series. He looks nervous, honestly.

[DPG21920]

Ignoring this TROLL again in 3....2....1.....

Yes. Why don't we take a poll and see whom is regarded as a troll? I order you to stop trolling. You will listen because you have no choice.

[Marcus Bryant]

I know FinDog wasnt NEARLY as vocal that Jefferson was going to be a mistake as I was. I was told that only a Suns fan would see a negative in the Jefferson trade.

Just to recap:

1) Trading for Jefferson prevents the Spurs from being players in the summers FA crop. No replacement for Ginobili or even return to the twin towers (via Bosh) for the Spurs because they chose Jefferson. They put all their eggs in one basket on this one.

2) Jefferson is a completely one dimensional player. He scores for himself and hes not as efficient as Paker, Ginobili or Duncan. He needs lots of shots to score and he's not going to get them in San Antonio. So basically the one thing he's able to do is mitigated. Thinking he's going to "carry the offense" is ridiculous. If he could carry an offense, Milwaukee wouldnt have traded him for nothing.

3) A perfect fit was out there in Trevor Ariza. He rebounds, hits the open shot, runs the floor, is super athletic and 1/3 the price of Jefferson. AND the Spurs could have him and been players in the FA market.

To recap:

1. Free agency is always a mirage for the Spurs when it comes to luring star level talent away from other teams; plus they'd have to wait a year to add a significant piece with TD's career coming to an end.

2. Nothing wrong with a scorer on this team. Plus he's a career 35% 3pt shooter and shot 39.7% last season on 292 attempts. Not sure how he's a "one dimensional player."

3. Had they used the MLE on Ariza then they wouldn't have been able to sign McDyess.

[EmptyMan]

RJ actually brings to the Spurs one of the greatest strengths Manu brings to the Spurs; the ability to create for others during stagnant times of offense.

RJ was a good pickup. I fear the Spurs are still way too undersized in the interior though.

[da_suns_fan]

RJ actually brings to the Spurs one of the greatest strengths Manu brings to the Spurs; the ability to create for others during stagnant times of offense.

RJ was a good pickup. I fear the Spurs are still way too undersized in the interior though.

[iilluzioN]

I GUARANTEE Joe Johnson will go to whoever offers him the most money. Trust me on this one.

He would have made a nice back court for the future with Tony Parker.

Instead, the Spurs chose Jefferson.

Bowen > Joe Johnson

[da_suns_fan]

Bowen > Joe Johnson

I know you dont speak for all Spurs fans. I know 99.9% of them would run a victory lap around their block if they go t Joe Johnson just to get out the excitement.

Joe Johnson is one of the most poised, complete players Ive ever watched.

You have no idea the agony I went through in the summer of 2005. Whats worse is the Suns fans who claimed he wasnt really that good, it was just "the system" that made him look good. There were also others who thought that the organization wasnt bailing on a guy for money, it was just that "joe didnt want to be here" which was complete BS. He was gonna go to WHOEVER gave him that max contract.

That is why he refused to sign an extention with Atlanta. He's going to the highest bidder. PERIOD.

[DPG21920]

I know FinDog wasnt NEARLY as vocal that Jefferson was going to be a mistake as I was. I was told that only a Suns fan would see a negative in the Jefferson trade.

Just to recap:

1) Trading for Jefferson prevents the Spurs from being players in the summers FA crop. No replacement for Ginobili or even return to the twin towers (via Bosh) for the Spurs because they chose Jefferson. They put all their eggs in one basket on this one.

2) Jefferson is a completely one dimensional player. He scores for himself and hes not as efficient as Paker, Ginobili or Duncan. He needs lots of shots to score and he's not going to get them in San Antonio. So basically the one thing he's able to do is mitigated. Thinking he's going to "carry the offense" is ridiculous. If he could carry an offense, Milwaukee wouldnt have traded him for nothing.

3) A perfect fit was out there in Trevor Ariza. He rebounds, hits the open shot, runs the floor, is super athletic and 1/3 the price of Jefferson. AND the Spurs could have him and been players in the FA market.

[TIMMYD!]

I love that scene.

[Agloco]

Bump. Thought we could use this thread as a " -Barometer" of sorts.

21pts on 7-8 shooting against the Kings. 11.3pts per for the season.

[phyzik]

Bump. Thought we could use this thread as a " -Barometer" of sorts.

21pts on 7-8 shooting against the Kings. 11.3pts per for the season.

Dont confuse yourself with facts, just listen to Da_Suns_Fan, RJ sucks.....

[afireinside20]

Now YOUR math is all messed up.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

The Spurs are at 54 million next year WITH Jefferson's salary. Replace McDyess' salary with Ariza and you could have had Parker, Joe Johnson, Trever Ariza, Blair, Tim Duncan and at the VERY LEAST, another MLE player from next year's FA market.

, that might be enough to get Ginobili (although that might be a stretch).

btw - the Spurs arent beating the Lakers this year. Not without substantial injuries to LA, anyway.

That has got to be the stupidest I've ever read. Sure you could've probably said that about the Spurs last year, but the Spurs this year are totally different. They matchup really well this year, and the Spurs will make you eat what you typed there.

[da_suns_fan]

That has got to be the stupidest I've ever read. Sure you could've probably said that about the Spurs last year, but the Spurs this year are totally different. They matchup really well this year, and the Spurs will make you eat what you typed there.

The stupidest ? EVER?!!!

The Lakers just have a huge talent gap right now.

[Spursfan092120]

The stupidest ? EVER?!!!

The Lakers just have a huge talent gap right now.

dude..you're using Hoopshype in your argument..that's automatic fail.

[oligarchy]

not knowing the difference between hoopsHYPE and hoopsWORLD is fail.

[da_suns_fan]

not knowing the difference between hoopsHYPE and hoopsWORLD is fail.

Thats what I was gonna say.

[Findog]

Bump. Thought we could use this thread as a " -Barometer" of sorts.

21pts on 7-8 shooting against the Kings. 11.3pts per for the season.

I could probably break double figures against the Queens.

[Agloco]

I could probably break double figures against the Queens.

If you're attempting to marginalize 's performance, perhaps you'd better try comparing him to someone who actually plays in the league?

I see how it's gonna be now. Unless he averages 20+ against the Lakers, Cavs or C's it won't matter will it?

[Agloco]

24 pts 7 assists 8 rebs

So much for not creating for others.....
Where the is da-suns-fan now?

[spursfan09]

Hatas gonna hate

[da_suns_fan]

24 pts 7 assists 8 rebs

So much for not creating for others.....
Where the is da-suns-fan now?

Kudos on a great game by Jefferson.

Its not surprising he would be so impressive with Parker and Duncan out.

Im not even going to get into this. I gave my word I would drop the anti-Jefferson rhetoric. Plus he's starting to prove me wrong!

[Agloco]

Kudos on a great game by Jefferson.

Its not surprising he would be so impressive with Parker and Duncan out.

Im not even going to get into this. I gave my word I would drop the anti-Jefferson rhetoric. Plus he's starting to prove me wrong!

lol...right on cue. I'll leave you alone about it, but I just wanted you to see that he did have another dimension. He's been creating quite well for others from day one. He just struggled with his shot early on.

Thanks for being a good sport about it.

[rayray2k8]

He's doing pretty damn good right now.

[slick'81]

yeah that rj sucks balls

[rayray2k8]

You tell me.