Why is the native american genocide almost never mentioned or discussed?

[admiralsnackbar]

Somehow I don' think anyone could instill a regard for logic amongst the various numbskulls of that region.

The various numbskulls of that region were once an empire as erudite and civilized as any European one. They just happened to start losing wars.

[Winehole23]

I am unaware of any direct connection of the British to the extermination/removal of NAs, but there is no doubt at all Anglo-Scottish investment was an important element of the development of the US's western frontier in siglo XIX.

[spursncowboys]

There was a tremendous amount of british money tied up in the development of the resources of this nation.They had alot to gain and alot to lose. I can't believe they didn't have political influence.

I thought your comment was a general dismissal of brittish colonialization.

[Ya Vez]

In every major war, throughout the history of the United States, from the American Revolution through the Indian Wars, Native-Americans have fought with and against each other. This scenario prevailed during the Civil War. Some tribes fought for the South, such as the Cherokees while others assisted the North like the Seminoles.

[balli]

It stupid feel personally guilty for something you had no part of, it's stupid to feel shame for something similar.

None of us here were slave owners, none of us here were slaves, and to take that responsiblity or shame upon ourselves is frankly stupid.


Suppose we all feel guilty and or shame over it...


What now?

I don't feel responsible. And I only feel shame or guilt to the extent that I, and you, and just about every American who isn't a Native, is a direct beneficiary of an entire civilization's destruction. You're right, that's the way the world unfolded, we had nothing to do with it. That doesn't mean we can't look back with a measure of regret or sadness or shame about how it happened or how it's benefited us.

And it's just one part of America's history, to be judged in the context of others. It's something America can be ashamed of, it doesn't mean America is shameful.

[hope4dopes]

I thought your comment was a general dismissal of brittish colonialization.

No it was more about their influences political and econmic especially after the civil war.

[hope4dopes]

In every major war, throughout the history of the United States, from the American Revolution through the Indian Wars, Native-Americans have fought with and against each other. This scenario prevailed during the Civil War. Some tribes fought for the South, such as the Cherokees while others assisted the North like the Seminoles.

Yeah let's hear it for the cherokee mounted rifles.

[Wild Cobra]

Why is the native american genocide almost never mentioned or discussed?

I'm not even going to read this thread, but leave this one remark. It's a bad point in our history. Family seldom talks anout the bad things within. As American's, we are one big family. No use dwelling in the past. To do so, is to not want to be a part of the family, and to tha, I say goodbye. Move elsewhere.

[rjv]

Edit: RJV beat me to it.

Genocides are touchy subjects. Despite the world media reminding them of their atrocities, Germans of the WW2 generation were often in denial about their role in the Holocaust (See the film: The Nasty Girl, based on a true story). Turks to this day won't acknowledge their role in the Armenian genocide despite mountains of proof and testimony. Argentines (most I've met, at any rate) are often very blase about their country's having exterminated it's native population. Catholic countries during the Inquisition didn't start formally apologizing until centuries after the fact. And then there's us. I think it has to be a kind of cognitive dissonance tied up with nationalism: if people own up to their collective atrocities, it impairs their ability to believe themselves to be good -- especially since most genocide is done with the permission/encouragement of the state.

Reminds me of that psych experiment where subjects were told to administer higher and higher voltages to an unseen "subject" whose protestations grew progressively more shrill and pained in order to test the role of authority in cruelty. Fewer students objected to juicing their peers than one would expect, and I'm sure none of those zappers bring that story up at Christmas.

spot on post!

[rjv]

Well of course it's americas fault.....well to some degree or another ..let me guess another self laothing white person right ........step just this way sir this crucifix is vacant climb on.

i'm not white.

[admiralsnackbar]

I'm not even going to read this thread, but leave this one remark. It's a bad point in our history. Family seldom talks anout the bad things within. As American's, we are one big family. No use dwelling in the past. To do so, is to not want to be a part of the family, and to tha, I say goodbye. Move elsewhere.

"Or we'll move you. Forcibly. Until we need that land. Then we'll move you forcibly. Again."

[hope4dopes]

i'm not white.

please explain what the u.s. was supposed to do to stop the armenian genocide.

[admiralsnackbar]

please explain what the u.s. was supposed to do to stop the armenian genocide.

He didn't say we had any involvement with Turkey (although our embassador was a vocal witness, much to the Turks chagrin). We were involved in Guatemala and within our own borders.

[rjv]

please explain what the u.s. was supposed to do to stop the armenian genocide.

i said turned their back on it. no US president has ever acknowledged the armenian holocaust (including obama).

guatemala is a different story. there we had direct responibility.

[spursncowboys]

In every major war, throughout the history of the United States, from the American Revolution through the Indian Wars, Native-Americans have fought with and against each other. This scenario prevailed during the Civil War. Some tribes fought for the South, such as the Cherokees while others assisted the North like the Seminoles.

I love how their culture treats veterans. Here is a great website about how a tribe treats a fallen Marine.
http://www.bentbay.dk/Indian_war.htm
There are others ones on how they greet a military person coming back from a war.

[Homeland Security]

What we can learn from the genocide of Native Americans is that genocide is very effective if you can get away with it.

[hope4dopes]

Both Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry encouraged intermarriage among the tribes Patrick Henry even suggested tax incentives.At the time of the trail of tears one of two leading chiefs of the nation was a half blood,and he was adament about the Cherokee using everything short of violence to resist the goverment.
Intermarriage has done more, than bullets to change the face of America. recent DNA testing found that those who call themselves African Americans had like 10% Indian DNA.When I was growing up all the whites I knew had indian blood, and I figured all whites in America had Indian ancestors.
the number of Indians identified by the census has risen by more than 1000% since 1900. The number rose not because of birth rates but because people coming forward claiming tribal memebership though not pure blood.
If the American people were trying to commit genocide, they sure were going about it the wrong way by marrying themselves and their blood to indains.

[EmptyMan]

The Mafia owes me reparations for driving my great grandparents out of Sicily.

Those meatball loving mf'ers will pay. And all you non self-loathing crackers who continue to pump money into Scarface and The Godfather, you are just as responsible. The blood is on your hands.

[hope4dopes]

The Mafia owes me reparations for driving my great grandparents out of Sicily.

Those meatball loving mf'ers will pay. And all you non self-loathing crackers who continue to pump money into Scarface and The Godfather, you are just as responsible. The blood is on your hands.

mea culpa piasan.

[whottt]

Maybe I'm superficial, but any grown man who accepts or self-applies the le "First Dude," doesn't seem too preoccupied with the life of the mind in my book.

Maybe he's just got a sense of humor, and couldn't care less?

[whottt]

Btw, in all fairness to balli...they indoctrinate kids to be the way he is these days in the educational system. He didn't arrrive at that conclusion on his own...it's been hammered into his head probably since he began grade school, and there is an entire generation of kids like him.

I mean you go into any college these days and what you get is an anti-christian blame whitey indoctrination...there's a reason every kid on this forum sounds exactly alike, they are parroting their college professors and teachers, difference being their college professors are a bunch of self absorbed baby boomers trying to sound intelligent and enlightened who in actuallity don't give a beyond appearances, while these kids are actually living the role.

It's not your fault balli, you didn't do it, and accepting the blame and guilt for it does no one any good, doesn't do the world any good either. Don't ever accept blame and take on guilt for something you didn't do...ever.

You taking the blame for slavery doesn't take slavery away..

[MiamiHeat]

Andrew Jackson was a hero.

The Native Americans had to go.

Think of it this way : If the United States didn't move the Indians out, then the USA would have been weaker as a result. Economic growth would have been greatly handicapped, population growth would have slowed, and it would have left the USA open to foreign invasion of a country that IS willing to take over all of the land.


It had to happen. There's really no reason to keep talking about it. It wasn't state mandated genocide like the Nazi's Final Solution.

[MiamiHeat]

also..

I respect and admire the Native American peoples. Their culture is admirable. Wise people, one with the earth, they are not wasteful... for the most part, peaceful and harmonious.

In a perfect world, would have been great to live like that.

Until a European nation decided to come invade our pussy tree hugging asses while we sit around a campfire, and shoot us all and take over all of our land.

So yeah, it had to happen.

[Winehole23]

In a perfect world, would have been great to live like that.

Until a European nation decided to come invade our pussy tree hugging asses while we sit around a campfire, and shoot us all and take over all of our land.

Clearly, we had no alternative to perishing at the hands of wily Old World powers, should we have failed somehow to exterminate the brutes.

The aboriginal inhabitants were in the way. So much the worse for them.

[Winehole23]