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The sexual divorce rate in the Netherlands is the same 1% per year as the hetersexual divorce rate.
What % of the population in the Netherlands do you think are gay and haven't gotten married yet?
I did.
Which dismal percentages in the article are you specifically referring to.
The sexual divorce rate in the Netherlands is the same 1% per year as the hetersexual divorce rate.
What % of the population in the Netherlands do you think are gay and haven't gotten married yet?
As far as diversity and society as a whole are concerned how comparable is the Netherlands to the US? There population is probably less than 20 million.
I know just here in the states the South is very much different than the North. But surely its much more comparable in likeness than say the US and the Netherlands.
So what is it you want... centuries of data? Worldwide acceptance of their lifestyles by force? Isn't that discrimination against my free thought?? The very same concept you seem to lobby against? I'm not hurting sexuals... I don't interfere with their lifestyle... let them be en led to the full benefits of marriage, if they so desire to have them; I'm not against that either.
Mainly my two biggest concerns... is 1) the effect of raising children in a sexual environment (not that all heterosexual environments are perfect - far from it, actually). 2) the push for biblical texts to be labeled as 'hate' speech...
Anyways, spot Google samples on Swedish gay hate crimes, would be less statistically relevant than the number of those poled for this survey. Not to mention that for every such article, there are articles of church burnings, Christian martyrs, and articles which snidely criticize church doctrine and or beliefs. You realize that Christians have been largely weeded out of Swedish society? Or in a broader context, that they are killed in many places throughout the earth....
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And disregard the graph... At this point it's statistically incompatible to relate it to the U.S. (a point which for the 20th time, I'm not arguing in favor of)...In 1995 Sweden passed the Registered Partnership Act which created civil unions for sexual couples. In 2003 that law was amended to give registered sexual couples the same right to adopt or have legal custody of children as married couples. The percentage of sexual or lesbians in Sweden that enter into civil unions may be estimated as follows:
Estimated sexual and lesbian population of Sweden: Extrapolating from the Demography estimates in the U.S., a similar percentage of the sexual and lesbian population of Sweden would be approximately 140,000 (2.5 percent of the adult male population of 3,531,554, and 1.4 percent of the adult female population of 3,679,317).[25]
Number of sexuals and lesbians in Sweden who have registered their unions: The number of registered same-sex unions in Sweden is reported to be about 1,500 (for a total of 3,000 individuals) out of the estimated sexual and lesbian population of 140,000.[26] This indicates that only about two percent of Swedish sexuals and lesbians choose to enter into legally recognized unions. Put another way, about 98 percent of Swedish sexuals and lesbians do not officially register as same-sex couples.
The Netherlands
A landmark law allowing same-sex "marriage" was ins uted in the Netherlands on March 31, 2001, with a highly publicized communal ceremony that included two lesbian "brides" and six sexual "grooms." The Netherlands ins uted a "registered partnership" law in 1998 that accorded legal status to sexual relationships similar to that of marriage. The new law, which explicitly recognizes same-sex matrimony, is restricted to Dutch nationals. However, as the following analysis shows, the percentage of sexuals and lesbians that have entered into marriage-like civil unions is very low.
Estimated sexual and lesbian population of the Netherlands: Extrapolating from demographic figures for sexuals and lesbians in the U.S., a similar percentage for the Netherlands would be 242,000 (2.5 percent of the adult male population of 6,161,662, and 1.4 percent of the adult female population of 6,311,338).[27]
Number of Dutch sexuals and lesbians who have registered their unions: A news report by the Gay Financial Network predicted that "some 10,000 gay couples could be married" in the first year following the legalization of gay "marriage" in the Netherlands. In reality, far fewer chose to solemnize their relationships. The Office of Legislative Research released a report in October 2002 stating: "The Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs reports that 3,383 of the 121,776 marriages licensed between April 1, 2001, and June 30, 2002, involved people of the same sex."[28]
Thus, as of October 2002, only 2.8 percent, or 6,766 individuals (3,383 licenses) out of an estimated sexual and lesbian population of 242,000, have registered their unions as "married."
Sources:U.S. Census Bureau, Married-Couple and Unmarried-Partner Households: 2000, 2; Black, "Demographics," 141; U.S. Census Bureau Census 2000 Summary File 1; Bayles, "Vermont's Gay Civil Unions," 1; Census 2000 Special Reports, 4; Shane, "Many Swedes Say 'I Don't,'" 1; "ORL Backgrounder," 1.
The much lower rates of sexual and lesbian civil "marriages" in Sweden and the Netherlands must be viewed in the light of much lower marriage rates in both of those countries, a trend that the introduction of gay "marriage" in the 1990s has not reversed. Thus, as writer Stanley Kurtz argues, the granting of marriage rights to sexuals and lesbians "has further undermined the ins ution" of marriage: "Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable."[29]
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Who gives a what the s do? Let those gots poke each other in the ass if they want.
I was married once. I loved her with everything I had. I gave her every fuggin thing. Why did that have to leave me? BECAUSE SHE'S A THAT'S WHY! No, no she isn't. He gave her what I couldn't, time and attention. THAT UNGRATEFUL ! I WORKED ALL THOSE HOURS FOR HER! No, no that's not true. I wanted that new car. I... I loved that car. I'd still have it if it wasn't for THAT !! WHERE'S MY CAR ?! DOES THAT ASSHOLE DRIVE IT?!
DOES HE DRIVE MY CAR?!!
Yeah let the s get married. Fuggin assholes
Ok... that anecdote was intense.
Opinion.
I think the low % of gays legally taking advantage of their rights to marriage is directly attributed to the fact that they're still discriminated against. They're are still far reaching implications for being "out there" for everyone to see.
This is why I said that this thread is pointless. Its not comparable on any level because its just a step in the big picture of freedom and equal rights. Not a finished product to be reasonably compared.
So they can get the same provision legally as a married couple. Alright.... Back to the begining.
I don't see why they want to get married when they can get the the same provisions legally. Come up with thier own ceremony. Then work on the feds to give them the exact samething a married couple gets when they get hitched so they don't have to fill out paper work to get what a straight couple gets.
The whole debate on religion is a joke. They don't want them to be married. That cult bible says they don't like the s. They shouldn't want to be married by any church.
I am still laughing Cry Havoc said he was Christian.
That may have a semblance of truth... but, both Sweden and Holland voted to have these movements pass through their legislative process... both nations have democratic governments. If the motions passed through legislation, and became law (without much fuss or hubris) wouldn't that at least suggest that the anti-gay sentiment in those very nations was lower than you're painting it to be?
The fact is, sexuals in those nations are allowed to get married... but still aren't doing so at a noticeable clip. As for why that is, that reason would be subject to speculation, but it may be rooted in the very nature of sexual relationships themselves...
You all keep insisting that the data is irrelevant because it poses an inconvenient 'truth'... I would agree that the implications of those peculiar dynamics cannot be extrapolated to define the cultural trends in our nation directly... indirectly though, the statistics I highlighted remain highly relevant.
I don't think it presents an inconvenient truth, just an irrelevant one. I have trouble believing that sexual relationships can be generalized to consist of certain predispositions towards stability or instability any more than heterosexual ones can. Even allowing as much shouldn't make sense to legislators, only certain voters.
The final arbiter of whether two people successfully commit to one another is whether they stick by their agreement, not how likely actuarial tables suggest they may or may not be in achieving their goals.
No. If that were the case we'd see more results here. I believe that there is a majority of people out there that don't have an issue with gay marriage but only a small portion of people with the power to do something about it.
Sincerely,
Legalizing Marijuana
There is widespread public acceptance for the legalization of marijuana???
Interesting...
Not within those that push their agendas and carry out laws. I think there is widespread acceptance that marijuana is relatively harmless and should be legalized. Far more than people think. Things are just now beginning to be changed in big ways whereas 20 years ago it was almost unthinkable.
I was just curious where in the article you were pointing at.
I'll at least attempt to show some support for my statement.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/19561/Who...alization.aspx
Approximately 1/3 of men and women under the age of 49 as of 2005 support its legalization. No doubt that figure is higher now. No doubt there are people out there that support it but are afraid to say anything.
I consider a third to be widespread.
I don't really see it as being an argument either way. Why would more gays showing up to get married make it a more favorable argument?
I agree with snackbar.......it's an irrelevant truth
even if a very small percent of sexual marriages were to work, it still should be legal.
If divorce rates were to ever reach 70-80% for straight marriages, are you going to argue that marriage should be illegal altogether?
Why must the sexual acts of individuals be the concern of the government? In what section of the Cons ution or the Bill of Rights is sex mentioned at all? TJ seemed like a rather randy fellow himself, but even he didn't think it was that important.
Since when is it the purpose of the government to outlaw/discourage/whatever sin? There are many sins that are perfectly legal. Then there are sins such as banging a woman other than your wife, but somehow that should be without consequences. To the extent sexuality represents a sin as sex outside of marriage, well, so does every other kind of sex. , we can't even agree on what cons utes sin to begin with.
Before I forget, we have two groups of fundamentalist nuts known as political parties in these United States. One group focuses on the sins of individuals, the other on the sins of man. Neither wants to leave you alone. They actually represent two wings of the same progressive movement, over a century old now. Gone is the country in which at least a good portion of the population was free to do as they pleased so long as they did not infringe on the rights of others to do as they pleased. Instead of extending that freedom to all, we end up with this dog to which most of you subscribe. you.
why is this a concern to you?
It does look that way.
Succinct, with a lingering bitter finish.
I wonder if our founding fathers ever thought there would be an atheist ruling class or a movement of sexuality normalization. I wonder would they have included more things. Interesting.
That is a great point.
why is that relevant?
I've read in numerous places that our founding fathers wanted no part of religion in the Cons ution.
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