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    Strangely enough, not as many Americans employed as before. Meanwhile, Indiana goes Democrat in a presidential campaign for the first time in four decades.

    Figure it out.

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    If the progressive policies were so bad for so long (50 years man!), how come conservatives didn't easily win elections there and turn it around? I mean, how bad can you really be?
    Racism. Populism. Socialism is usually voted in the same way in every state, city and country.

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    Other casualties of liberalism- Oakland, Philidelphia, New York, DC, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc.
    was it the local policies? state policies, ? which was it in these cases?

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    What about all the jobs from having companies being able to export there. What about the lower prices with the lower cost of living from buy products that are made cheaper? In automobiles, what about the better products with higher quality for less? I can only imagine a scenario like in Russia where an automobile will last for only a year. Had we not been able to export the microchip- how different this world would be after only thirty years of technological advancements.
    This is a race to the bottom for the lower middle class. So your cost of living is lower. So is your income. F YEAH.

    Sure, it's a great scenario if you're a part of the upper middle class.

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    If the progressive policies were so bad for so long (50 years man!), how come conservatives didn't easily win elections there and turn it around? I mean, how bad can you really be?

    Because they've been sold on the false idea that conservatives are racist redneck bible-thumpin teabaggers?

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    Because they've been sold on the false idea that conservatives are racist redneck bible-thumpin teabaggers?
    or because conservatives believe everyone is out for themselves cir stances be damned.

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    This is a race to the bottom for the lower middle class. So your cost of living is lower. So is your income. F YEAH.

    Sure, it's a great scenario if you're a part of the upper middle class.
    WHere is any evidence that someone would make more from a manufacturing job as opposed to a service job? You are talking about people like they are sheep.

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    Racism. Populism. Socialism is usually voted in the same way in every state, city and country.
    What do you mean? Illinois was voting Republican only 20 years ago:

    1988:

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    WHere is any evidence that someone would make more from a manufacturing job as opposed to a service job? You are talking about people like they are sheep.
    Racism. Populism. Socialism is usually voted in the same way in every state, city and country.
    WHere is any evidence

    You are talking about people like they are sheep

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    Because they've been sold on the false idea that conservatives are racist redneck bible-thumpin teabaggers?
    They voted Republican up until Bush senior... I guess they didn't think that then?

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    You mean assemble...

    Uh, what's your point?

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    Uh, what's your point?
    My point is that we import all the pieces, and only assemble it here. Meaning, actual manufacturing is done somewhere else.

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    WHere is any evidence that someone would make more from a manufacturing job as opposed to a service job? You are talking about people like they are sheep.
    I'm not going to do your work for you, but when "service job" means McDonald's or a call center, it's not hard to figure out.

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    What do you mean? Illinois was voting Republican only 20 years ago:

    1988:
    link? I think a voting by county map would be a little better.

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    I guess this video makes sense to someone who isnt from the area.

    For those of us who are, its complete bull . Let me sum Detroit City Proper up for you in one sentence.

    The money moved out in the 70s for economic and crime/educational reasons, what you have today is the fallout from that.

    Businesses starting up in those times got more favorable tax incentives from the surrounding suburbs, so they started or moved to areas other than Detroit. Detroit thought itself untouchable and didnt care.

    What that video doesnt tell you is that Oakland County, a mere 10 miles away, is the third richest county in the country. There is a reason for that, but dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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    link? I think a voting by county map would be a little better.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showe....php?year=1988

    From '68 to '88, Illinois voted Republican...

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    My point is that we import all the pieces, and only assemble it here. Meaning, actual manufacturing is done somewhere else.


    Ever worked in a factory? Doesn't sound like you have.

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    link? I think a voting by county map would be a little better.
    you mean certain counties vote for socialism, populism etc? And that is the reason for the state level failures?

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    Ever worked in a factory? Doesn't sound like you have.
    I have. Have you?

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    Businesses starting up in those times got more favorable tax incentives from the surrounding suburbs, so they started or moved to areas other than Detroit. Detroit thought itself untouchable and didnt care.

    Tax incentives for business? What a horrible idea.

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    I have. Have you?

    Yes. Assembled wire harnesses for GM and Ford. That job sucked ass.

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    Tax incentives for business? What a horrible idea.
    so the economic policies helped? Which is it? Did they help or destroy?

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    so the economic policies helped? Which is it? Did they help or destroy?


    Tax incentives for business is not a progressive policy.

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    I'm not going to do your work for you, but when "service job" means McDonald's or a call center, it's not hard to figure out.
    Or electrician. You don't back up any of your rants.

    All you do is attack conservatives. This op was about Detroit being destroyed by liberalism.

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    Yes. Assembled wire harnesses for GM and Ford. That job sucked ass.
    It's a job, and it's better than no job.
    But I really dislike when people claim that Toyota 'makes cars' in their plant in San Antonio. They do not. They merely assemble the parts made somewhere else, mostly Japan.
    Would be real nice to have even more jobs here in the US making those parts also.

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