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Who developed these economic policies in Oakland? Are you claining that dems do not support tax incentives?
Over the last 50 years, Illinois has voted 22 years for Republicans and 28 years for Democrats... But it's the Liberal policies that sinked it...
Who developed these economic policies in Oakland? Are you claining that dems do not support tax incentives?
That's the same thing they do at Ford and GM. Do you think these people make every single item in the vehicle? There are lots of vendors that make car parts and many of them are not in the US. In fact, many are in Mexico. It's a lot cheaper for some reason.
It's not one of their usual talking points.
I'm not saying Ford or GM are any different. In fact, I know they're not.
But the 'economic globalization' and the NAFTAs have as much to do with it as the 'progressive policies' you like to single out.
The people are dependent morons.
Turn out that the 'morons' did vote Republican after all...
If he is, he is clearly not speaking about 1970s SouthEastern Michigan. There were more Democrats than you could shake a stick at, in every city and metropolitan area (including Detroit).
Detroit thought itself invulnerable to the upstart communities like Warren, Livonia, Sterling Heights...downriver towns like Canton, Ypsilanti, Lincoln Park...and even nothern suburbs like Troy, Rochester and Novi.
They had a monopoly on this area's business forever, literally. They didnt see any reason to afford upstart businesses any incentive whatsoever to set up shop in Detroit. Even worse, the city was woefully corrupt. To get certain licenses to install, contracts, whatever always required payoffs of city officials and workers.
People tired of it and surrounding communities took advantage of Detroit's hubris by giving incentives.
Well, after some of these startup manufacturing businesses took off and started employing thousands, people started commuting out of Detroit for work. Obviously, the next step was to just move to where the jobs were.
Moreover, cheap gas and low cost of living in the "outskirts" created more disposable income for families. Sure, you werent city living anymore, but who cares! Youre fat, well paid, employed, happy and live in a larger home than you could imagine in the city, with land and great schools.
The pros far outweighed the cons. Once this small transition started, it rapidly turned into what we call the "Great White Flight". Yeah, racism sucks but the truth of the matter is this.
The only people left in Detroit were those who didnt want to leave for one reason or another. You have to remember this was a city that had the country's worst riot in 1968. Black people were not encouraged to move into the surrounding suburbs...ok, thats putting it lightly. They were actively told not to even try and if they did, theyd be harassed by their neighbors until they moved somewhere else.
So Detroit became a predominantly black city in less than 10 years. A people who have been repressed for generations. Generally speaking now, not in absolutes, this is a culture that has found itself being incarcerated at astronomical rates for decades. To not have access to the best jobs and education, there were clear lines in the city before The Flight of the black neighborhoods and the white neighborhoods, now there were only burrows leftover, not near the scale it used to be.
Large swaths of the city have homes for sale and no one to buy them, tax revenue for the city plummeted. Rightly or wrongly, racial tensions were already extremely high, but now that black people were the voting majority, politicians (like Coleman ing Young) started baiting this prevelant at ude and started winning elections rather easily.
All they had to do was say, in more words, was " whitey, this is our city now". It worked for a long time. But more and more businesses started leaving, more or more people became unemployed, so city officials expanded the government payroll in an effort to stem unemployment. Obvious problems abound with that plan (tell me how you plan to increase tax revenue by increasing government spending again? So, we the government, pay people their wage, pay the payroll taxes to ourselves and this somehow generates more revenue for us?! Maybe on paper, dip ).
The decline for Detroit never stopped. Black loyalty has finally run its course (took awhile), now everyone with half a brain is leaving the city in droves...black ,white, Mexican, Polish, Arabic....race has absolutely no bearing on the further decline of Detroit anymore.
Its just a hole run by corrupt city officials more interested in extracting what little is left out of it for themselves at the expense of their people, the state and federal government. The City Council is finally starting to listen to surrounding communities for advice and future projects...this was un- ing-heard of for 3 decades.
Light rail systems, regional control of national convention centers like Cobo (a hole in every regard), bringing in outside auditors to go over their finances.
Now, I make it sound like Detroit is all complicit with these measures, when in reality its more the Governor's office telling them "Do it or be taken over". The state will eventually take the city over...it has to. It cannot be left to the residents of Detroit to self govern because they have clearly demonstrated their inability to do so at every ing opportunity for decades.
The first department in the State's sights is the Detroit Public School system. The absolute worst public school system in North America, bar none (yes, even Mexico I would imagine). Next will be the Zoning Office....at some point, the State will just take over wholesale.
That doesnt bode well for anyone because this state really ing sucks. We are controlled by a Teacher's Union on the ecucation front and the UAW on the manufacturing front. Moreover, this country basically begs large manufacturers to outsource their jobs so every American can find a nice cozy cubicle in some serice field to settle into mediocrity for their fat, entertained existence...
Nevermind. I forget I am talking to people who do not produce anything. You provide services to people who pay for your service by providing service to someone else, etc. At no point do you sell anything you can put your hands on. You actually think this business model works all while watching the economy meltdown in front of your face and have the audacity to wonder "Why?".
Well, duh, obviously it's primarily the progressive policies and socialism...
Far more of domestic cars are produced in the US than foreign automakers.
It isnt by much, but true nonetheless.
Its cheaper because our government begs manufacturers to outsource. They dont say that per say, but their policy refelcts the corporate lobbyists greatest successes.In fact, many are in Mexico. It's a lot cheaper for some reason.
No country in the world operates without tariffing/taxing imported goods, save for those apart of a sphere of trade (NAFTA, EU, etc)...except one country. The United States.
Why? Because corporations buy and sell politicians on the daily and one of their many demands are unrestricted avenues of production. They want to be able to produce everything in the cheapest place in the world, child labor laws, environmental concerns, necessary regime changes, American workers be damned.
You, me and everyone else in this country sees no ing benefit to things made elsewhere in the world. Sure, you may on this component or that widget, of course, there are always exceptions.
But really, how much less are your Nike shoes since theyre produced in sweat ships, hmmm? So instead of being $120 a pair, theyd have to be $400 a pair to produce here, right? Tommy Hilfiger, Hurley, what-the- -ever...all just raping your country and the country theyre produced in, in the name of profit.
Textiles being imported in this country is the biggest ripoff of the American worker, bar none, moreso than automotive.
Same thing with automotive. The only reason things are cheaper to produce in places like Mexico is because our government doesnt tariff the company who moves operations there. Try buying an American car in Japan or China or Europe....
You know, Ive done this conversation before and I tire of it. It seems to be, IMO, that nearly all of you ing dumb Americans are brainwashed, corporate stooges who seriously think this system of business is the best in the world and that anyone who questions it is a socialist.
Its much like smoking being banned on private property and local oppressive gun laws, none of this bothers you because it doesnt apply to you. You have videos like the one in the OP that completely ignore other, equal reasons in an effort to indoctrinate the trained American monkey to spew at first blush of disagreement.
This entire society has been reduced to parroting morons more inclined to worship and parody the death of their brethren than restrict their taskmasters. You are all incurably suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and it shows every time you speak. I dont much care whether this fact offends you or what political vibration you would like to assign my thinking to because clearly, your opinion means absolutely nothing to me.
I would just as soon watch 30% of the population veer their car into a bottomless ravine than listen to them breathe. You are all completely worthless pieces of matter floating around the airspace, sucking and consuming the very life that surrounds in an effort to appease an idealized authority with no eye for you or your family.
The bottom line, if there is any justice in the universe to be had at all, is that you are most assuredly next.
I am most often speechless in the face of everyday citizens actually defending corporate society as a virtue of the American system. Its a simple mechanism of manipulation with you nitwits.
Youre jealous. Extremely jealous of the rich. Instead of hating them or being neutral, you envy them. This envy distorts your view of their progression and importance.
Nike, Microsoft, General Motors, Phizer, etc are no more important to this country than you are...they just have all the money, which makes them more important to the government than you and all of us combined.
Until Americans come to this realization as a whole, we are doomed and this fact depresses me to no end because I am sure that I am right.
I sincerely hope everyone of you bas s, every...single...one, have a Merry ing Christmas.
Last edited by DarkReign; 12-22-2009 at 01:58 PM.
I'm headed to Detroit tonight. I sure hope it's warm.
Har har.
LOL.
You mean it's not warm? Im not going then.
Its actually a balmy 32º...a veritable heat wave at this time of year. , in the sun, water doesnt even freeze!
Back to point, it is my only hope that we as a country will have the opportunity to air our differences and settle them quickly and permanently in my lifetime.
Sadly, I dont think this will happen. But I sure would enjoy such a time.
It's all hopeless, you might as well stock up on guns and ammo and food. The only thing changing is a civil uprising.
It'd be interesting to see what the city would look like today if Archer had never been the Mayor.
If American car companies didn't make such ty cars, Detroit would be Tokyo right now.
Are you basing that on perception or hard data?
Are you actually so imperceptive as to need "hard data?"
This country was founded on individual liberty and the sovereignty of the people. Over a couple centuries the people have traded that in for material progress. So we have what we have here today. Economic and political power has been centralized, at the hands of the people. What made this country great for the first four score was that at least a good portion of it was free, self-reliant, and independent. Perhaps one of the few times in the last millennium that was the case. Instead of that freedom being extended, all were eventually enslaved.
Not to mention literate and also cognizant of threats to their freedom.
Which on the order of "most important traits" in any species ranks at #1.
1. Ability to identify threats to your well-being
Back at you DR, -- you sick, sick bas -- and to the board more generally:
Merry Elfin Christmas, y'all.
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