LMAO brady

[stretch]

not sure how a guy that catches 143 balls in one season can be seen as "pedestrian" no matter what you might think of his physical attributes.

the only times someone said that anything about marvin was pedestrian was in talking about his physical attributes. he wasnt exceptionally gifted. not very big, strong, fast, or a great jumper. dont get me wrong, marvin was a of a receiver. but i just feel that other damn good receivers that were stuck either with ty QBs or in a run heavy system, could have accomplished just as much as Marvin, such as Mason, Ward, or Jimmy Smith, all of whom like Marvin, had great hands, were good route runners, but also had superior physical/mental attributes.

[Blake]

how about you look more closely at the numbers,

if you are talking about the beginning of edges career, peyton still was throwing well over 500 times in those seasons, which is a ing lot. he averaged over 33 pass attempts every game in those seasons.

edge later did it again, and again, if you look, peytons pass attempts dropped, and so did marvins numbers. considerably. he went from having several 100 catch seasons in a row to having around 80 catches a year. yet he still had peyton manning throwing it to him.

now lets take a look at hines wards numbers

in his best statistical year, he had 112 catches, 1300+ yards, and 12 TDs. in that year, there was 551 pass attempts. the next year, he still had a solid season, but his numbers across the board were still damn good, but down a little. not suprisingly, so were the pass attempts. then the year worthlessburger came around, there was a whopping 358 pass attempts. again, Hines numbers dropped considerably, although he was still able to stay in the 1000 yard range.

when the ball is thrown less, then obviously you get less chance to shine. marvin was in an offense where he was able to shine quite a bit, especially when giving a QB that was able to make as mono said, Brandon Stokely look pretty damn solid with a 1000 yard and 10 TD season. he never came remotely CLOSE to matching that in his time with Baltimore and Denver.

marvin = overrated

Of course he's going to have good numbers on a team with a great QB. It's the nature of it.

By your argument, Jerry Rice is overrated. John Taylor had a of a career too thanks to Montana.

If you want to say that it's your opinion that Hines is better because he was a physical guy that could go over the middle and make the tough catch, terrific, although you maybe one of the few who think he's better than Marvin.

The raw numbers, however, aren't comparable.

[dirk4mvp]

except teams with Randy Moss, TO, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, etc...

rofl Steve Smith and Boldin

[stretch]Fitz has a super bowl winning qb throwing to him. Fitz = overrated.[/stretch]

[Blake]

the only times someone said that anything about marvin was pedestrian was in talking about his physical attributes. he wasnt exceptionally gifted. not very big, strong, fast, or a great jumper. dont get me wrong, marvin was a of a receiver. but i just feel that other damn good receivers that were stuck either with ty QBs or in a run heavy system, could have accomplished just as much as Marvin, such as Mason, Ward, or Jimmy Smith, all of whom like Marvin, had great hands, were good route runners, but also had superior physical/mental attributes.

So when will Wayne break Marvins record and get 143 balls or 1700 yards?

[dirk4mvp]

the only times someone said that anything about marvin was pedestrian was in talking about his physical attributes. he wasnt exceptionally gifted. not very big, strong, fast, or a great jumper. dont get me wrong, marvin was a of a receiver. but i just feel that other damn good receivers that were stuck either with ty QBs or in a run heavy system, could have accomplished just as much as Marvin, such as Mason, Ward, or Jimmy Smith, all of whom like Marvin, had great hands, were good route runners, but also had superior physical/mental attributes.

None of those guys was the best route runner ever or had some of the best hands ever. Stop being stupid.

[Blake]

rofl Steve Smith and Boldin

[stretch]Fitz has a super bowl winning qb throwing to him. Fitz = overrated.[/stretch]

I wonder if he means the giants Steve Smith who had a better year than the other SS.

[dirk4mvp]

I wonder if he means the giants Steve Smith who had a better year than the other SS.

That Steve Smith has a superbowl winning qb throwing to him. I don't think he would use a receiver who catches passes from someone like that in his argument. But who knows with stretch.

[Bernard Pollard]

If Bellicheat doesn't shut his mouth i'm gonna sign a 1 week contract with Baltimore

[monosylab1k]

Unless you're mono who thinks all hall of fame QBs are comparable.

All who play in the same era sure as are.

[monosylab1k]

The raw numbers, however, aren't comparable.

yeah, they are.

[monosylab1k]

None of those guys was the best route runner ever or had some of the best hands ever.

Yeah we're aware they aren't quite at Jerry Rice's level.

[monosylab1k]

Let's try a more productive exercise:

List every big, important, clutch catch that Marvin Harrison has made in his career. I'm not talking some bull little 5 yard slant dink in some ultimately meaningless random regular season game. I'm talking about a big ass, big time, clutch reception in a big game. Whether the Colts won or lost the game, it doesn't matter. I'm talking clutch catches that came when the team absolutely had to have a big play.

List all you can think of.

I bet his list isn't half as long as that of the majority of WR's named in this thread. Maybe not even 1/10th as long.

[Blake]

All who play in the same era sure as are.

says who? you?

define era.

[Blake]

yeah, they are.

naw. you just cant add.

[Blake]

Yeah we're aware they aren't quite at Jerry Rice's level.

or at Marvin's level.

[monosylab1k]

says who? you?

define era.

says common sense.

Unlike your underdeveloped Neanderthal brain, the game of football has evolved over the years. There's no point in comparing Bob Hayes to Randy Moss because of the eras they played in. It makes more sense to compare Bob Hayes to other contemporaries of his, such as Paul Warfield. And thus it makes more sense to compare Randy Moss to his contemporaries like Terrell Owens.

[Blake]

Let's try a more productive exercise:

List every big, important, clutch catch that Marvin Harrison has made in his career. I'm not talking some bull little 5 yard slant dink in some ultimately meaningless random regular season game. I'm talking about a big ass, big time, clutch reception in a big game. Whether the Colts won or lost the game, it doesn't matter. I'm talking clutch catches that came when the team absolutely had to have a big play.

List all you can think of.

I bet his list isn't half as long as that of the majority of WR's named in this thread. Maybe not even 1/10th as long.

Let's try an even more productive exercise:

List every big, important, clutch shot that Robert Horry has ever made in his career and compare them with the majority of real hall of fame forwards in his era.

I bet most of their lists aren't half as long.

[monosylab1k]

Let's try an even more productive exercise:

List every big, important, clutch shot that Robert Horry has ever made in his career and compare them with the majority of real hall of fame forwards in his era.

I bet most of their lists aren't half as long.

I bet most of their lists are at least twice as long. For example, Dirk.

[Blake]

says common sense.

based on your Tony Dungy comments, you are nowhere close to being the voice of common sense.

Unlike your underdeveloped Neanderthal brain, the game of football has evolved over the years. There's no point in comparing Bob Hayes to Randy Moss because of the eras they played in. It makes more sense to compare Bob Hayes to other contemporaries of his, such as Paul Warfield. And thus it makes more sense to compare Randy Moss to his contemporaries like Terrell Owens.

Randy Moss and TO have played with different QBs in different systems in different conferences against different teams in different cities with different weather patterns or domes.

You can come up with any stupid reason why you can't compare this player with that player.

Common sense says you are a dumb .

[Blake]

I bet most of their lists are at least twice as long. For example, Dirk.

Dirk 2-1 over Horry?

I'll take the bet.

Notable playoff clutch shots
1. May 22, 1995 | Western Conference Finals Game 1 | Houston Rockets at San Antonio Spurs
Horry nailed a jumper with 6.5 seconds left to give Houston a 94–93 win over San Antonio in front of over 35,000 at the Alamodome.[12]

2. June 11, 1995 | NBA Finals Game 3 | Orlando Magic at Houston Rockets
With Houston up by one with 14 seconds left and the shot clock winding down, Hakeem Olajuwon kicked a pass out to Horry, who launched a three over Orlando's Horace Grant, propelling the Rockets to a 106–103 victory and a 3–0 series lead on the way to a sweep and back-to-back NBA les.[13]

3. May 6, 1997 | Western Conference Semifinals Game 2 | Los Angeles Lakers at Utah Jazz
Horry drained all seven of his three-point shots. However, this proved to be not enough as the Lakers lost Game 2 103–101 and ultimately the series 4–1.[13]

4. June 10, 2001 | NBA Finals Game 3 | Los Angeles Lakers at Philadelphia 76ers
With the series tied at 1–1, the Sixers were within one point with under a minute to play and with Shaquille O'Neal on the bench having fouled out for the Lakers. Brian Shaw found Horry in the corner and he drilled the three with 47.1 seconds left to give the Lakers what proved to be an insurmountable four-point lead. Horry, who had been a 44% free throw shooter in the postseason thus far, also made 4-4 free throws in the final minute to seal the win. The Sixers never recovered.[13]

5. April 28, 2002 | Western Conference First Round Game 3 | Los Angeles Lakers at Portland Trail Blazers
Down by two with 10.2 seconds left, Kobe Bryant drove on Ruben Patterson and kicked the ball to Horry, who hit a game-winning three.[13]

6. May 26, 2002 | Western Conference Finals Game 4 | Sacramento Kings at Los Angeles Lakers
The Kings led 99–97 with two seconds left when center Vlade Divac knocked the ball out of the paint after Shaquille O'Neal missed a putback layup. The ball came to Horry, who launched a game-winning three-pointer as time expired to give the Lakers a 100–99 victory. Instead of going back to Sacramento down 1-3, the shot tied the series at 2-2 and allowed the Lakers to defeat the Kings in 7 games on their way to a third straight championship.[13]

7. June 19, 2005 | NBA Finals Game 5 | San Antonio Spurs at Detroit Pistons
Horry inbounded the ball to Manu Ginóbili who was cornered by two Pistons defenders. Ginobili returned the ball to Horry on the left wing, who then hit a three-pointer with 5.9 seconds left to give the San Antonio Spurs a 96–95 victory and a 3–2 series lead heading into Game 6. Horry scored 21 points in fourth quarter and overtime to carry the struggling Spurs.[13]

8. April 30, 2007 | Western Conference First Round Game 4 | San Antonio Spurs at Denver Nuggets
The Spurs led by one with 30 seconds left when Horry hit a game-securing three-point shot, handing the Spurs their fifth straight playoff victory in Denver

your turn.

[monosylab1k]

based on your Tony Dungy comments, you are nowhere close to being the voice of common sense.

ROFL someone's still butthurt.

I win. Good night.

[monosylab1k]

Dirk 2-1 over Horry?

I'll take the bet.



your turn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/col...tim&id=4747343

you lose.

[Blake]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/col...tim&id=4747343

you lose.

I'm not talking a few late 4th quarter shots in some meaningless regular season game against teams like the Grizz or Clips.

List every big, important, clutch shot

your exercise is a fail. your common sense is a fail. you thinking you can't compare eras is a fail.

youre a decent troll though.

[Blake]

ROFL someone's still butthurt.

I win. Good night.

ROFL Apparently so. Dungy must have hurt your butt pretty badly for you to say those mean and hurtful things about him even though he retired and is doing God's work in the jails and prisons.

Good night.

[Barry Bonds]

Blake owned mono in both arguments