Devin Harris is a better player than Jason Kidd

[ElNono]

Yes, it's always the fault of one player and one player alone.

Wether you like it or not, there's always a star that carries a team. The one that shows up and makes the key plays when it matters. Game 3 free-throw anybody?

Where did I do that?

I forgot, Spur fan thinks Diop is the second coming of Bill Russell and Harris is the next Oscar Robertson.

[Findog]

Kidd is a good player. He's a shadow of his former self, but he's still a smart, savvy player, who still has something in the tank. From a health standpoint, I understand what you mean when you say you rather have him than Harris. From a talent standpoint right now and looking into the future, I don't think so.

Well that's the whole point, isn't it? I certainly don't deny Harris is going to be in the NBA long after Kidd retires, but why is this trade judged as one of the worst of all-time? It should be judged as win-win for both sides. If the Mavs don't do that deal, they have to continue to roll the dice that Harris can stay healthy, and maybe Dirk isn't motivated to resign here because mgmt is not making a move to upgrade the roster. Dallas improved for Dirk's prime, and Jersey salvaged something for Kidd instead of seeing him walk and get nothing after his contract was up.

You can dog Dirk all you want, but he is a top 10 player, and as such, it is possible to win a le with him as your best player. Maybe not likely, but it's possible, and I'm glad Cuban is doing whatever he can to make that possible. We have Dampier's contract to upgrade the roster even more in the offseason.

[Findog]

Wether you like it or not, there's always a star that carries a team. The one that shows up and makes the key plays when it matters. Game 3 free-throw anybody?

Hey, Wade was terrible in two of the games of that series as well. There was nothing wrong with Dirk's performance in the final two games of that series. Wade was simply better, and that's hardly a mark against Dirk.

[Findog]

I forgot, Spur fan thinks Diop is the second coming of Bill Russell and Harris is the next Oscar Robertson.

Yeah, I said this after you and FKLA chimed in with your Harris > Kidd opinions. It's always about Spur fan, even when it's not.

[ElNono]

Well that's the whole point, isn't it? I certainly don't deny Harris is going to be in the NBA long after Kidd retires, but why is this trade judged as one of the worst of all-time? It should be judged as win-win for both sides. If the Mavs don't do that deal, they have to continue to roll the dice that Harris can stay healthy, and maybe Dirk isn't motivated to resign here because mgmt is not making a move to upgrade the roster. Dallas improved for Dirk's prime, and Jersey salvaged something for Kidd instead of seeing him walk and get nothing after his contract was up.

I think the trade is considered bad (I don't know if worst of all time, that's an exaggeration) because you gave up young talent for old talent that basically won't put you over the top. On top of that, you gave up two first round picks. At best it was a lateral move, and so far it has proven to be just that. To Cubes credit, he probably traded Harris when he still had a fairly good value, and managed to get a serviceable Kidd out of it.

You can dog Dirk all you want, but he is a top 10 player, and as such, it is possible to win a le with him as your best player. Maybe not likely, but it's possible, and I'm glad Cuban is doing whatever he can to make that possible. We have Dampier's contract to upgrade the roster even more in the offseason.

He's playing this season like a top 10 talent in the league. That said, I don't think it's possible to win a le with him as your best player, and that's where we disagree. But that's just a matter of opinion.

[ElNono]

Hey, Wade was terrible in two of the games of that series as well. There was nothing wrong with Dirk's performance in the final two games of that series. Wade was simply better, and that's hardly a mark against Dirk.

By the time we got to the final moments of Game 3, that series was the Mavs to lose. And they managed to lose it. You can't just give credit to Dirk when they win, and not have him take the blame when they lose. It happens with everybody: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Lebron, etc. Dirk is no exception. It starts with them and it ends with them.

[XFactor]

Dirk, Terry, Howard + Harris = NBA Finals
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd = 2nd Round exit

/thread

What happened after the NBA Finals? They lost in the first round which prompted Cuban to do something to the team by trading Devin Harris. If the Mavs got out of the 1st round in 07 I highly doubt that Harris would have ever been traded.

[ElNono]

What happened after the NBA Finals? They lost in the first round which prompted Cuban to do something to the team by trading Devin Harris. If the Mavs got out of the 1st round in 07 I highly doubt that Harris would have ever been traded.

Thanks Tacker...

[Double-Up]

What happened after the NBA Finals? They lost in the first round which prompted Cuban to do something to the team by trading Devin Harris. If the Mavs got out of the 1st round in 07 I highly doubt that Harris would have ever been traded.

How the did you get your name is bold?

[XFactor]

How the did you get your name is bold?

I don't know I pm'd the administrator that I couldn't find the option in the control panel to change colors and then he did it for me.

[BUMP]

Anyone comparing the two leagues from now and the one back in 2006 is ing stupid.

In 2006, there were 3 powerhouse teams.

Mavs, Suns, and Spurs. Heat and Detroit were pretty good, but not great.

Chris Paul had yet to develop, Denver never had Chauncey, LA never had Gasol, Boston Celtics were a lottery team, Orlando was still developing, and Lebron was still surrounded by garbage.

Funny how SpurFan seems to forget all about that ignoring the fact that Dallas was playing in a much easier league. Whether we had Devin Harris or Skip Harris we'd still be looking up at a lot of those teams right now.

But one thing never changed in that time and that is the fact that Dallas routinely bounced San Antonio from the playoffs

Suck on that s!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol tac

[Findog]

Who the cares if X Factor is Tacker or not? He's not starting a bunch of stupid threads and he's posting on topic. Until he turns into a bad poster, leave him be. We're here to ostensibly talk basketball, not get hung up on who is whose troll and whatnot....

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Wtf? This guy joined on January 2nd and he already has his name in color?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dirk, Terry, Howard + Harris = NBA Finals
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd = 2nd Round exit

/thread

I love how you ignore how weak the NBA was in 2006 compared to what it is now. There were only 3 good teams in the West, one of which had its leading scorer injured that year. If Amare is healthy that Dallas team doesn't go to the finals.

[ffadicted]

Mavs fans sad that ever since Harris left they are noncontenders

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Mavs fans sad that ever since Harris left they are noncontenders

As if they were contender when they traded Harris.

[sonic21]

Dirk, Terry, Howard + Harris = NBA Finals
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd = 2nd Round exit

/thread

2006 howard >> current howard

[Double-Up]

Wtf? This guy joined on January 2nd and he already has his name in color?

He does seem like a solid poster so far though. I doubt he's a ing Tacker troll.

[Double-Up]

On point again it's pretty obvious Jason Kidd was a good trade...took a while but it worked out for the Mavs in the end, can't say the same for the Nets.

[z0sa]

I forgot, Spur fan thinks Diop is the second coming of Bill Russell and Harris is the next Oscar Robertson.

Mavfan's ace in the hole. Akin to and no better than 4 rings.

[Findog]

Mavfan's ace in the hole. Akin to and no better than 4 rings.

Hey, we have two Spur fans chiming in to say that Harris > Kidd.

What do you think?

[ElNono]

2006 howard >> current howard

That's not Harris' fault though...

[Findog]

That's not Harris' fault though...

It's not a mark against Kidd either when it comes to the fact that Dallas hasn't been able to get back to the Finals. In fact, it's a testament to how good Dirk and Kidd have been together when the Mavs have gotten so little from Howard over the past two years, yet still have been able to win 50+ and a playoff series in that time.

[Muser]

Why does this need another thread? People on this board with any credibility know that Kidd is better for the Mavs and Harris is better for the Nets.