No one has a better +/- in the nba than Dirk. Look it up. The team goes to crap once he leaves the game. They got terribly inefficient players around him.
Keep telling yourself that Mavs fan.
Yeah like in 2007 when Don Nelson made him look stupid? Easily shut down by an athletic wing. Or Wade exploited his weak ass interior defense. Dirk has never, and will never be close to Kobe Bryant's impact. Kobe is an elite two-way player. Dirk is a one-way player that scores most of his points on jump shots despite being 6'10.
Dirk has plenty of talent on the Mavs roster and he's been surrounded by good talent most of his career.
He's got crap on this roster. Howard is like Webber after surgery. Continues to fire up shots full of bricks. Shoots like Stackhouse now. Terry has declined a ton as well. Kidd can't drive anymore. It's amazing this team has done as well as it is. I guess when you have a player at Dirk's level, you can still win with a crappy team. Kobe knows how it's like to not have the talent. The Lakers missing the playoffs that one year.
21 s it's time to hang up the oleeee nike's when mavsfan1000 is the voice of reason in your thread
Damn that guy overrates the outta me.
He's owned Stephen Jackson when healthy.
Or Wade exploited his weak ass interior defense.I forgot the part in that series when Dirk was assigned to check Wade over Harris, Terry, Daniels and Griffin.
Kobe is the best player in the league for now. Dirk is top 5.Dirk has never, and will never be close to Kobe Bryant's impact.
He never played with an All Star in his prime. Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Pierce, Garnett, all played on powerhouse teams with at least another All Star. The Mavs remained near the top of the league despite Dirk never having played with an All Star in his prime. Nash left in 2004 and was a fringe All Star in Dallas. He would never have had the same impact had he resigned with the Mavs. Josh Howard made the 2007 team as an injury replacement for Carmelo, but that's it. He's been surrounded by several good players, but never another All Star that could make things easier for him. The Mavs would be a 25-30 win team without him.Dirk has plenty of talent on the Mavs roster and he's been surrounded by good talent most of his career.
I'd rather miss the playoffs due to injuries/coaching change and draft a good player than win 67 games and then lose to the ing 8 seed. Lmao, Stern shipped that MVP award to Dirk UPS groundHe's got crap on this roster. Howard is like Webber after surgery. Continues to fire up shots full of bricks. Shoots like Stackhouse now. Terry has declined a ton as well. Kidd can't drive anymore. It's amazing this team has done as well as it is. I guess when you have a player at Dirk's level, you can still win with a crappy team. Kobe knows how it's like to not have the talent. The Lakers missing the playoffs that one year.
No talent?. Kobe won a le with Gasol/Odom - 2 All-Star appearances combined.
Dirk had no talent? Nash/Finley/Jamison/Walker/Howard - 2 MVPs, 15 combined All-Star appearances. FIRST ROUND EXIT.
Again. Dirk is nowhere near Kobe Bryant nor has he ever been or will be even close.
In the regular season, not when it mattered. Dirk is good at winning regular season games. He sucks ass- when faced with adversity in the playoffs.
Not after you look at defense.
Dirk just forgets that he's 6'10 and plays power forward. 6'10 power forwards should be defending the ing paint.
His defense is greatly improved. He's not KG in his prime, but he's way better on that end of the floor than he was under Nelson. It's partly about being a veteran with experience - he's always in the right spot, his rotations are good, he can contest shots, he'll take smart fouls at the basket, etc. You can't have him check Duncan or somebody like that for long stretches without risking getting him into foul trouble, but I would have no problem putting him at the 5 for the final six minutes of a tight game.
He was hurt when they played the Warriors. His playoff resume is a lot greater than you give him credit for. The Mavs have won 9 series and 40-some games in the playoffs with Dirk. You act like he's Tracy McGrady or some .
Yeah, they were the 5 seed and they lost to the 4 seed Kings. Both teams won 52+ games. And that was in an era when the West was routinely fielding six 50+ win teams whereas the East could barely field two. That Mavericks team sucked ass because they had six guys who could score 20 a game and had only one basketball, not to mention the chemistry-killing component that is Fatoine Walker. I would think a Laker fan would know a thing or two about having balance on a roster. You need role players like Robert Horry or Rick Fox that know how to play off stars and contribute without scoring 20 a game. Those Laker teams would've been better off with guys like Fox/Horry/Fisher than some 20 ppg scorers who would've had to sacrifice touches for Shaq/Kobe. I can't believe you're pointing to that 2004 exit against the Kings like it's some sort of mark of shame. Either one of those teams would've easily made the East Finals against Detroit.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Dirk's defense is not good. Post-D especially. That's just ing reality. His lateral quickness on that end is a joke and a half.
He's not Tracey McGrady and Dirk gets props for being durable/consistent. But he's had a way better situation in Dallas his entire career. Replace him with a healthy T-Quit and Dallas still chokes in 06/07 and never wins a ring while running off 50 wins every year.
If Dirk was 25 and I was starting a franchise I'd totally trade Bynum since we know Dirk is a sure thing. At 31? It doesn't make any sense when for the Lakers when they value defense over the redundant offense Dirk would bring.
No talent?. Kobe won a le with Gasol/Odom - 2 All-Star appearances combined.
Dirk had no talent? Nash/Finley/Jamison/Walker/Howard - 2 MVPs, 15 combined All-Star appearances. FIRST ROUND EXIT.
It's certainly not bad.
The best player Dirk's played next to over the last 5 years is Jason Terry. Dunno where 21_ gots gets the idea that the Mavs have been oozing with talent while Dirk's been here... Good 50+ win talent... but not championship caliber talent, 2006 and 2007 withstanding...and if not for terrible officiating you couldn't use the re ed Dirk can't defend the paint v Wade argument.
The Mavericks have been able to surround Dirk with a good amount of talent throughout his career, but they couldn't get him a bona fide All Star to play with him in his prime. The 2006 version of Josh Howard was playing at an All Star level, and they won a conference championship. I would've loved to see what he could've done with a top 15-20 player in his prime.
I see your point about needing another Kobe, Baseline and I would agree with you if I thought the Lakers needed another player.
However, I think the Lakers have more than enough to be favorites for the championship for the next few years. Dirk would just be overkill for the now and nothing for the later.
I mean if you really think about it, the Lakers are #1 in the NBA while having their 2nd player out for almost half the season. Do they really need anything else?
And as a side bonus, they're developing their next franchise center to take over while still being in the championship race.
Lakers are setup now and for the future, the only thing better they could have done was to keep Marc Gasol.
Although I like Dirk, this part is true. I've always felt the Mavs have had a great talent base..more than enough to contend for a championship. They just lacked chemistry, 4th quarter execution and leadership.Dirk had no talent? Nash/Finley/Jamison/Walker/Howard - 2 MVPs, 15 combined All-Star appearances. FIRST ROUND EXIT.
There's really not much excuse for Dirk/Kidd/JHo not doing more.
What is true? Losing to the 2004 Kings in the first-round means what exactly? A championship roster needs balance - I'd rather have two 20 ppg scorers and a bevy of role players than 6 20 ppg scorers and one of them being Fatoine Walker.
It's true that the Mavs have had good talent.
The players may have not been the right fit and/or had chemistry problems but the talent was there. Both Dirk and Jason Kidd are sure locks for the HoF.
, the Mavs were a couple games away from winning a Championship just a couple of years ago.
When Kobe was unhappy with the Lakers and making trade demands there was a rumor that the Mavs passed on an offer Kobe for Dirk, so if they wouldn't trade Dirk for Kobe they sure as wouldn't trade him for Bynum.
Kobe and the Mavs would have beaten Shaq and DWade in 2006 as Kobe has historically owned Wade.
i believe kobe had a no trade clause and he said he wouldnt come to dallas if Dirk wasnt here so that trade would have never happened anyways
only players i would trade bynum for are dwight howard or lebron
Kobe wanted to play with Dirk. Dirk for Kobe was never going to happen, and not bc the Mavs wouldn't do it.
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