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  1. #76
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    Is Gasol a Hall of Famer?

    My point is you are so trying to nit-pick and reach for ways to say that MJ>Lebron but wont use the same arguments for Kobe.
    Gasol might be a Hall-of-Famer by the end of his career, but he's definitely better than Grant and not far off than Pippen.

    Kobe's a better scorer and clutch scorer than Lebron. He's at the tail end of his career so it's not far to judge him with a much younger Lebron. Kobe unfortunately had to share his success with Shaq in his prime.

    Kobe did lead an average Lakers team to the playoffs two years in a row which could have done some damage in the Eastern playoffs.

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    MJ would not have shot 8-31 FG's to score 31 points to begin with, brah

    and he would have played lockdown defense.

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    Honestly, who did Jordan really ever play with? Pippen?
    What's wrong with Scottie? Id take Scottie over Pau Gasol 10 times out of 10.



    And Rodman? Horace Grant? BJ Armstrong? <-----All All Stars and All NBA Defensive players (besides BJ). Mike had it really good in the help department. Let's not be a revisionist here. I followed the Bulls religiously during their 6 le dynasty run.

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    anyway,

    it's quite clear that LeBron would make the Lakers near unbeatable, and I think they would challenge the 96 bulls 72-10 record if LeBron was on the lakers instead of kobe.

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    What's wrong with Scottie? Id take Scottie over Pau Gasol 10 times out of 10.



    And Rodman? Horace Grant? BJ Armstrong? <-----All All Stars and All NBA Defensive players (besides BJ). Mike had it really good in the help department. Let's not be a revisionist here. I followed the Bulls religiously during their 6 le dynasty run.
    You say that because the Bulls were successful. and that's because Michael Jordan's greatness. If MJ wasn't as great as he was, he would not have been able to carry his teams to dominate the NBA so badly, and you would not hold those players in such high regard


    If Kobe was anywhere near as great as MJ, the lakers would be more successful. He isn't though, so you undervalue players like Gasol and Odom, who do more than enough required to dominate. Kobe is lacking, that's all.


    Instead, the Lakers underperform, and you blame Gasol and others because they can't carry Kobe

    The logic in there is really funny to me

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    I think Dennis Rodman is a possible HOFer. And having arguably the best head coach in the history of the game helps as well.

    If you put Jordan on the Cavs over the last couple seasons, I don't think he beats the Boston Celtics of the previous two years. He probably single-handedly beats the Pistons like LeBron did, but not the Spurs. But I do think Jordan on the Cavs last year beats the Orlando Magic. I think it's about match-ups. I think Jordan would destroy the Magic.

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    No way. Jordan would never survive the much more talented Orlando and healthy Boston Celtics. The Cavs will be overwhelmed like no other.



    A cast of Jordan,Mo Williams,Delonte West,JJ Hickson, and an aging Shaq under the guidance of Mike Brown are going to get eaten alive. What makes Lebron unique is his extraordinary combination of speed, explosiveness with a freakish athleticism.



    Jordan does not have any of those despite being a much complete player than Lebron. MJ would be similar to Dwyane Wade if anything. And We all know Bron is a better player than Wade, healthy or not.
    Jordan survived a much better Orlando team with Shaq/Penny, plus Riley's Knicks. Remember, it's much easier to score nowadays with the rule changes. Can't hand check, etc. Imagine Jordan playing this era.

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    but according the Kobe haters...ripping teammates is a bad thing and you have to lead a team by taking fake pictures and dancing on the sidelines.
    Jordan ripped teammates all the time. Even punched Steve Kerr once. He was much more demanding than Kobe.

    Also, Lebron uses steroids

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    MJ would not have shot 8-31 FG's to score 31 points to begin with, brah

    and he would have played lockdown defense.
    Stop being an idiot. Ill give you a couple, on the house.


    11/29/1991 vs Portland.


    39 FGA to score 41 pts

    Or

    05/14 92. Playoffs. Knicks

    9/25...to score 21 pts?


    that was pretty easy

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    Jordan was a career 50% FG shooter.

    Kobe is 45%

    game.

    LeBron > Kobe

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    Jordan survived a much better Orlando team with Shaq/Penny, plus Riley's Knicks. Remember, it's much easier to score nowadays with the rule changes. Can't hand check, etc. Imagine Jordan playing this era.
    Again. Like I said. That team had a couple of HOF'ers. Rodman, Pippen and Phil Jackson made all the difference in the world. Its no surprise that Jordan has not won anything without Pippen and Phil Jackson.

    So, you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that

    Mo Williams
    Michael Jordan
    Jamario Moon
    JJ Hickson
    Shaquille O'Neal


    Would beat a healthy Boston team.

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    plus,


    LeBron has NEVER had a team as talented as the Lakers are. NEVER

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    anyway,

    it's quite clear that LeBron would make the Lakers near unbeatable, and I think they would challenge the 96 bulls 72-10 record if LeBron was on the lakers instead of kobe.
    ok.

    Does anyone take this guy seriously?

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    plus,


    LeBron has NEVER had a team as talented as the Lakers are. NEVER
    ok.

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    Jordan was a career 50% FG shooter.

    Kobe is 45%

    game.

    LeBron > Kobe
    thanks for repeating everything that has been said in the past 2 pages.

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    Jordan ripped teammates all the time. Even punched Steve Kerr once. He was much more demanding than Kobe.

    Also, Lebron uses steroids
    Just to confirm, you are saying MJ > Lebron > Kobe sans championships?

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    Imagine if LeBron was also coached by Phil Jackson

    i mean, LeBron is out in Cleveland with MIKE ING BROWN! it's a wonder he's not fired yet. LeBron is carrying that hack coach. they need to replace his ass

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    I think Dennis Rodman is a possible HOFer. And having arguably the best head coach in the history of the game helps as well.

    If you put Jordan on the Cavs over the last couple seasons, I don't think he beats the Boston Celtics of the previous two years. He probably single-handedly beats the Pistons like LeBron did, but not the Spurs. But I do think Jordan on the Cavs last year beats the Orlando Magic. I think it's about match-ups. I think Jordan would destroy the Magic.
    The problem with the Cavs last year is not Lebron. Again, I posted his NBA best averages against the Magic and Orlando almost swept them.


    Point I was making there is, whether its Lebron or Mike, without a legitimate second option like Pippen for example, the Cavs are not going anywhere near the Finals.

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    ok.

    Does anyone take this guy seriously?
    Ignore?

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    Point I was making there is, whether its Lebron or Mike, without a legitimate second option like Pippen for example, the Cavs are not going anywhere near the Finals.
    garbage, LeBron already took a WORSE Cavalier team than today's to the NBA Finals in 2007.

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    Ok laker fan, welcome to my ignore.

    Don't waste time responding to my posts. Just you better believe I will still be posting about your ty ass laker star and you will just be a big ing pussy who couldn't handle my fire.

    I am too hot for your punk ass. run run

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    Also, Id like to know who here would take a soft spanish pussy like Gasol over a defensive and offensive catalyst, Top 50 player like Pippen.

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    Also, Id like to know who here would take a soft spanish pussy like Gasol over a defensive and offensive catalyst, Top 50 player like Pippen.
    miamiheat thinks Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, Artest and Fisher are Top 50 players.

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    What does being Spanish have to do with anything?..

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    garbage, LeBron already took a WORSE Cavalier team than today's to the NBA Finals in 2007.
    I don't think that team would have gotten out of the first round in the West.

    According to Hollinger's PER rating, Jordan had 4 out of the highest 5 PER ratings of all all-time with PERs in the 31s, so statistically he matches up well with Lebron.

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