Reply With Quote
based on Marc Gasol and Randolphs numbers last night? Would you disagree?
Kobe once said in 2003 that Shaq's job was to focus on rebounding and defense. He feels the same way about Bynum and Gasol.
based on Marc Gasol and Randolphs numbers last night? Would you disagree?
Exactly. Its like Kobe is perfect and has no flaws the way these Laker fans/Kobe nuthuggers make it seem. Laker fan arguing Kobe is unselfish is like me arguing that Tim Duncan is the most athletically gifted basketball player of all-time. Kobe's selfishness is well do ented I dont understand why its so hard to simply admit thats the way he is. Even more baffling is how much these people defend and love Kobe...dude ran Shaq out of town ending a dynasty, than when things were rough demanded a trade. How people even have the nerve to put him in the same class as people like Magic or West that bleed purple in gold is beyond me. You think they'd ever ask for a trade?
You are aware that he's basically been shooting 30% on 35 shots for the last month or two right? Also its not the fact that he shot 58% that people are criticizing its the fact that noone else was involved in the offense. And the fact that the game didnt develope into Kobe needing to take over the way he did, its that he made it that without giving a about his teammates. You know damn well he didnt just want to break the record with a normal performance he wanted it to be a memorable one, that was his mindset. Pau and PJ basically said that in a more subtle manner.
I guess you damn well DIDNT know that he mentioned before the game that he rather break the record at home in LA. Is it his fault that the Lakers went down by 9- 10 point in the second quarter while he sat on the bench?
look at the numbers.
Kobe +4
Gasol -7
Bynum -4
Artest -1
Fisher -12
I understand you haters finding ways to make Kobe Bryant look bad. Thats what you guys do. I dont like when he shoots for 30% with 35 shots either, but when a thread is made specifically the day after he passed up the ball to Artest for the last shot and made 58% of his fg's, i think thats pretty petty and pathetic.
So Im guessing PJ and Pau are just being petty and pathetic haters? His coach and best teammate just said he was forcing it...Pau saw it, PJ saw it, and anyone that isnt a Kobe nuthugger saw it--the game didnt develope into Kobe needing to take over, Kobe made it into that from the get go. Why do you guys go so out of your way to defend something thats so obvious?
Before last night, Memphis was 11-1 in their previous 12 home games, including wins over Denver, San Antonio, Phoenix, Orlando, Oklahoma City, and Utah. Plus, it was the 8th game for the Lakers on their 8 game road trip. I think the Kobe bashing is quite exaggerated.
Kobe absolutely can be selfish. I also think Kobe is what kept the game close. If his teammates want the ball more, they have to be more aggressive. They have to make hustle plays to get more opportunities, get offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, get loose balls to get a transition bucket, move without the ball so when they do get the ball, they might have a good, open look. I forget what game it was, but one of the last Lakers games I watched, I saw Shannon Brown come in the game, be aggressive, take good, open jumpers, got out in the open court, aggressively attack the rim, and he was scoring and getting his touches. Part of it is Kobe's fault, but a good deal of it is on guys like Pau and Bynum and Odom to be more assertive when they're on the court. They already know what it's like to play with Kobe. I think it was last season or the season before where Lamar was quoted as saying that he knows Kobe's going to get his shots so he can't worry about Kobe and he has to be aggressive and find his own shots. If Pau and Bynum want more shots, then they should stop being pussies, and demand the ball.
I interpret Phil's quote as much criticizing everyone else for not being assertive enough and allowing Kobe to play that way as it is him trying to send a message to Kobe.
And Pau needs to actually demand the ball on the court instead of whining about it to the media. Maybe he's just upset that he got bullied by little brother.
Did you watch the game?
You'd think that if Bynum and Gasol was on your team they'd have more than a combined 10 FGA. Bynum only had three shot attempts. Fisher on the other hand had 6.
Refreshing to see Phil Jackson and teammates get on Kobe's case since its usually Kobe trying to pander to the media.
Oooo touchy touchy are we?...Go suck him off why dont you?!?
it's hard to get into a rhythm when your shooting guard is chucking up a shot every possession. players need the ball in their hands to feel out their defenders and adapt to the game. can't hog the ball for 44 minutes and then expect your teammates to come through the last 4 minutes.
Kobe has a habit of trying to do too much sometimes. Kobe is DEADLIEST when he mixes it up.
No. But again are you suggesting the box score isnt indicative of what actually happened in the game? Are you suggesting the quotes made by Pau and PJ are just fabricated? Your boy shot 28 shots. The rest of the entire line-up shot 25. Andrew Bynum only shot 3, Pau Gasol 7.
How in the world can you argue that Kobe played good team basketball after that. Or that the game developed into him having to take over when the rest of his teammates never even got a chance to show that they were having an off-night, which is the only way Kobe chucking could be justified.
problem is..he doesn't seem to want to mix it up..or when he does..his teammates don't produce...which then makes him go into jacking up shots whenever he can.
Finally a ing Laker fan that is willing to criticize the great Mambian god. He is a great player but some of you seriously act like he can do no wrong. Selfishness has always been Kobe's problem, he needs to trust his teammates whether theyre on or off. He already proved that he cant carry the team alone when he averaged 35 ppg.
I'm more angry at Kobe because he passed up the last shot.
I don't know where to start. Your post is outright fabrication and I guess I will start at the top.
How many times does Laker fans have to say we know Kobe has flaws. We know he is a volumn shooter. Many shooting guards are. How many times does Laker fan have to say we are ok with his flaws and are happy he plays for our team regardless fo you Kobessors to understand that we just dont care how many times you point out the very same obvious comments over and over and over. We get it. You dont like Kobe. Why don't you get that we do and leave it at that? Why are you obsessed to win over a Laker fan?
Completely wrong with no base in fact. Just your biased hatred showing through. Kobe did not run Shaq out of town. Shaq ran Shaq out of town. Its been, as you are found of saying, "well do ented" that Shaq got on Jerry Buss's wrong side during the pre season and said things there was no going back from. Dr Buss made a basketball and financial decision that was in fact the correct one and all concerned have made their respective comments that Kobe had relatively little to do with Shaqs departure. Even Shaq has said so for gods sake.
Ohhhh and wrong again. Magic did even better. He demanded the coach be removed or to trade him. That is how Pat Riley got his start. You really should research before making yourself look so foolish.
You are aware he is shooting 46% on the season with an average of 22.6 shots as compared to lifetime 46% on 20.9 shots right? I think the fact that hes at the same level with a broken index finger on his shooting hand is nothing short of remarkable. You on the other had can take that 1.5 extra shots he's taking and blow it out of proportion all you want.
Maybe Pau, Odum, Bynum, and Fish should have shot better than 8-25 (32%) to command the ball more. Your own daily ranting says Kobe while shooting 30% should feed the other guys shooting 50% + more. EVERY FRIGGEN DAY! So why isn't it the same when the tables are turned? Why arent you and all the Kobsessors bashing on Pau and company who shot 32% not feeding the guy shooting 58% on the night? Ohhh but that doesn't fit into your Hater agenda does it?
Has he had some games where hes shot too much... of course. Does it even out over the season, of course. Is he one of the top players to ever play the game, of course. Is he a proven winner, of course. Are the majority of Laker fans happy he's plays for us, of course. Are you going to ever convince us we are better off without him or that he's some scrub player. Never.
The big question is... why is it so important for all you Kobessors to even try?
Last edited by cobbler; 02-02-2010 at 04:59 PM.
Come on Laker fans....
Kobe was JACKING up last night...you don't agree with this??? He has been jacking up for the past month....why I have no clue. The guy has a broken ign finger and he is still launching up. It is ridiculous. This Lakers team has one of the top 20 front courts in NBA history...and we are playing outside in. it is ING mind boggling and frustrating. And it isn't just Kobe....Fisher jacks up ridiculous quite often, Farmar is a selfish punk asss , Brown has struggled the last few weeks and cannot initiate the tri. Pau should be at 15 shots a game MINIMUM and Drew should be at 12-13.
I do think Kobe realizes this...I honestly just don't think he gives a right now. Come playoff time though....I think everybody here knows Kobe is going to be dominating scoring AND facilitating and will keep the selfish bull at the door...
Cobbler...I agree with your earlier commentary in the post but this is bull .
You are using ONE game to illustrate Kobe should be jacking up the he does. Yes...Pau and company had a bad game...but it doesn't mean Kobe should have been puttign that up yesterday. Do you honestly think he is goign to shoot as good as he did yesterday for the rest of the season?? I mean the guy had a WIDE OPEN 3 and banked it in....his finger is ED UP.
Do you agree Pau should be getting a minimum of 15 shots (and a LARGE AMOUNT of touches....almost every time down the floor to initiate the tri)??
Do you agree Drew should be at 12-13 shots a game??
Don't you think we are a MUCH MUCH mroe dangerous team when Kobe is right at 18 shots a game with 6+ assists and Pau and Drew both have double digit shot attempts???
I mean....we have the BIGGEST advantage that any team has in the NBA right now in our big men and Kobe this past month ing IGNORED it.
Ok we get it, Kobe sucks.
We'll you guys obviously arent leaving it at that either so that works both ways...
And very few Laker fan actually fess up to Kobe's flaws. There are so many Laker fans that are Kobe fans before they are Laker fans.
And that had nothing to do with Kobe and Shaq's feud right? Shaq's "pay me" remarks had alot to do with him challenging Buss to pick one or the other. Kobe had the same mindset and had already acknowledged that he wasnt willing to play second fiddle.
Did he really? Not saying he didnt, but I'd like a link since I find it surprising. Either way it seems like it may have been more of a feud with the coach than with the organization itself. Kobe on the other hand was basically ready to give up on the team because things werent going his way.
You are aware I said he's been shooting around 30% on 30 shots over the last month or so right? Regarding the injury, it is a small bone chip break. It happens with severely jammed fingers, so no I do not find it remarkable. I just find it to be another case of the media hyping Kobe's legend, just like they make a big deal out of his "aching back" or "hobbled ankle". The same type of that players used to be expected to play through rather than be glorified as warriors.
And its kind of dumb to compare 30% on 30 shots by one player to 30% on 3 shots by Bynum dont you think? Or 7 shots by Gasol? Like I said Id understand if those guys were having off-nights and the game developed into Kobe needing to take over because the other guys werent doing , but when those guys never even get a chance to get into a rythm or prove that theyre indeed having an off-night than I dont see no justification to Kobe's chucking. He shot more shots than the rest of the entire starting line-up combined.
Also for the record, Ive given Kobe his props. He's still the second best player in the game and one of the all-time greats...I just have a problem with Kobe fans that act like he can do no wrong. The guy has had problems with trusting teammates and selfishness his entire career yet youd never know that the way some of you guys talk about him.
LOL. I stated that Kobe fans do not care about the Laker franchise, all they care about are things that relate to Kobe, then you bring out the 2008 and 2009 Finals as some kind of vindication for Kobe. Let me spell this out for you. Kobe fans only state success of the Lakers when it helps in an argument to make Kobe as better than he is. It doesn't matter than the Laker franchise was arguably the best ran franchise in NBA history (due to a variety of reasons), the Lakers' success of the past decade (ie. last 4 rings) could be solely attributed to Kobe. When the Lakers fail to make the playoffs/got booted in the 1st round, it's because the franchise didn't get the right teammates for Kobe to shine.
And I don't really worry too much about the Spurs. They are what they are. The Spurs winning a championship doesn't make me a better person, unlike the profound effects the Lakers winning has to do with you.
Last edited by ambchang; 02-02-2010 at 05:22 PM.
Everything will be well in LA. It's not like Kobe has Will Perdue playing next to him.
Spot on....
No I don't think he will shoot as good the rest of the season as yesterday. Of course he has shot too much ove the last 10 games or so. Where I differ from a lot of people is I don't entirely blame Kobe. Jamstone touched on this. Players need to be mor agressive and move. If they are going to stand around...then yes Kobe will take it. If they move and cut and get open the ball moves and the Lakers are poetry. It's not often you see a guy make a solid cut or move and Kobe will ignore him. Come on. But if they are just standing around then he is definetly going to be the agressor. Last night. Pau was a fumbling mess. Andrew looked like he was playing timid and just wanted out of Memphis healthy. Fish sucked. The only players showing any aggression at all were Kobe, Brown, and Ron.
My point wasnt that Kobe is going to shoot 58% everynight. It was why are we hearing about him being unselfish when his shots were down over the last weeks, his % was up, and the others in the cast were playing like ? Moronic in my opinion and just shows that the haters hate regardless of the actual facts.
Yes on principle. But that changes game to game as you know and Pau has been ty last 3 to 5 games. He was a bumbling mess last night.
see above... some nights I would give drew or pau the ball 25 times... other 5. Depends on the night they are having.
I like when hes around 21-22 shots. I have no problems with his assists numbers. I also think you will see a huge shift in emphasis from Kobe over the next 2 months from offense to defense.
At times Kobe has ignored them. But lets be honest here. The ball is in Fish, Farmar, and Browns hands too. The most glaring weakness of this Laker team is the post entry pass. There is enough blame to go around for everyone as to why the Lakers are not playing the way they are capable. To toss all the blame on Kobe is just as absurd if not more than to give him none.
Haters just gotta hate and I love that its our guy they hate on. Makes me smile to know the Miami/Chris/Harlem/FkLa's all get bent out of shape. So much so that they post about our player more than all the Laker fans combined. Classic!
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
