then dont blame the sg if the teams offensive rebounds sucks.
I normally would'nt, but the problem with Kobe sometimes is he dribbles and holds the ball for a long time and then he suddenly shoots ill advised jumpers which throws his teammates off.
Also when he does this, most of the Lakers bigs couldn't establish a position down low to grab the rebound.
Looks like there's a lot of chemistry issues in LA.But the two Rushmore-like figures will be difficult for him to scale. Bryant will never be completely embraced like Magic, or completely revered like West, because what makes him so great is what makes everyone else so unnerved. His killer instinct can be unsettling. His serious demeanor can be intimidating.
And will his teammates ever stop carping about how he doesn't pass them the ball?
How typical that on a night he breaks the record, the Lakers lose and one of his teammates throws a dart at him for shooting too much.
It happened Monday after the 95-93 loss in which Bryant took 28 of the Lakers' 73 shots, an unwieldy 38%. At least one buddy couldn't even honor him for the record without questioning him for the shots.
"I'm proud of him, I congratulate him," Pau Gasol said. "Now we can focus on winning games again."
Gasol was just getting started.
"Obviously we're not making a conscious effort on pounding the ball inside," Gasol said. "So we settled a little bit too much."
A day later, with Bryant not available for comment, both Gasol and Derek Fisher reiterated the idea that sometimes even the greats can try to be too great.
Gasol talked about getting more players involved, and Fisher even invoked exact statistics from the previous night, saying that one player taking 38% of the shots is just too much.
"This is a tough one for me, guys," Fisher said. "But winning is what it comes down to."
"From the time I took over this team till probably the time I leave, that's always been an issue," Coach Phil Jackson said Tuesday about Bryant's shooting. "One of our first team meetings was about the fact that Kobe wasn't passing the ball . . . that whole crew, they wanted to sit down and talk about it as a team."
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is it possible this is the reason why they are losing road games left and right? I mean last year they were the best road team in the league. all of a sudden they are losing winnable games? I think Laker fans should be concerned.
bottom line for me. kobe should just stop chucking and start getting his teammates involved if he wants those guys fightinf with him in May and June.
should I go back through my posts and point where I predicted this? nah, nobody cares, but still
i think everyone saw it coming
long jumpshots = long rebounds
harder for the C or PF to rebound under the basket because the ball bounces farther away. bigs try to get position by facing the basket, but if the rebound goes farther back over their heads, then the guy they boxed out is in prime position to get the board... right even to the SF's, SG's, and even PG's
Then you have people saying Kobe is the best leader or top 3 in the NBA while 'his' players are calling him out and the chemistry is off. Good leaders manage a locker room.
you said "jumpshots equals long rebounds"...i said its a fact that "offensive players are favored by long rebounds"...now you are syaing that kobes jumpshots dont help the offensive players get rebounds.
Sheesh...make up your mind. Now log on Miamiheat and stick up for yourself.
Exactly, thats why i said pau gasol and bynum should get more rebounds since your other username (ChrisRichards) just stated that Kobe's long jumpshots = long rebounds.
Good leaders dance with their teammates during timeouts and take fake pictures and throw powder up in the air and tattoo "Chosen One" on their back. Now that's leadership.
Where leadership happens.
damn..did the ref get fired?
With all that being said, good leaders involve their teammates in the offense which in turn makes them WANT to perform at their best on both ends of the floor. They're out there every night having fun as a cohesive unit and that can make a long 82 game season that much more bearable. I can live with Lebron's antics when I see what he's doing for his team.Good leaders dance with their teammates during timeouts and take fake pictures and throw powder up in the air and tattoo "Chosen One" on their back. Now that's leadership.
Kobe fell in love with being the hero again ala 06 with all his game winners. He really is banged up though. Early on he would post up alot and now it's almost all re ed jumpers.
Maybe you should think things through a little more. He couldn't keep playing so much in the post with his finger because post play is physical and getting the finger hit is very painful. Shots to the finger could also potentially cause medical setbacks for the healing of broken bones. Look for him to get back to the post more later on in the season and especially in the playoffs. The Lakers will be fine. Stop stressing. A playoff focused Kobe, Phil and a talented roster? They will be very hard to beat in a 7 game series.
Last edited by namlook; 02-04-2010 at 05:46 AM.
Thank you.
Dude, you dont understand. Normal jumpshooters (preferably catch and shoot types) are different than players like Kobe.
Kobe tends to have those "Oh my goodness did he just shoot that" shot. Granted he makes an awful lot of those so Ill give him credit, but he also misses a good size of those during games. When this happens, his teammates like Odom, Gasol and Bynum are not utilitzed because the ball bounces much further from the paint area OR they simply could'nt establish a position because there's too much ball movement from the perimeter and it gets worst when the player who takes 35% of the teams shot has a questionable selection.
Look. You guys can sugarcoat this all you want but LA ranks 9th in offense this season (far from the Top 3 championship team last year). That's concerning considering LA's best weapon is their offense. IMO Kobe is mostly responsible for this because, He went through a dark streak shooting 30% and disrupted team offense not surprisingly they also lost a lot of games in that span.
I dont have a problem earlier when Kobe was sticking it to everyones face averaging 30 PPG in 50% shooting, but 23 FGA in 30% shooting is a problem especially when you have 2 other 7 footers willing to lighten your load for the time being while you recover.
Huge hypocriteGood leaders dance with their teammates during timeouts and take fake pictures and throw powder up in the air and tattoo "Chosen One" on their back. Now that's leadership.
You whine and cry when people bash kobe, but look at you here
stfu
look at this long ass re ed post by JamStone
then look at him bashing LeBron for petty
and Kobe got to the finals twice, won a ring and is first place in the west....but isnt a leader.
That doesnt even make sense. You just love making up.
at this thread...Yo wtf is up with Gasol, he's playing like a little this year..He looked way different last season..He's missing easy ass layups, his 10-15 ft jumpshot is off, he's letting avg players score on him at will. Something is definitely not right with him. You would think he would want to add 15-20 lbs of muscle but i guess he likes being scronny as ..He needs to bulk up & be more like his brother.
Did I even mention Kobe in my post? I was responding to the post about Lebron's antics not mattering much when you see what his leadership brings to that Cavs team. Who cares about Kobe?and Kobe got to the finals twice, won a ring and is first place in the west....but isnt a leader.
And since you brought him up I'll tell you that Kobe is a leader. And at the same time I'll tell you I don't consider Kobe's leadership anywhere close to what Lebron brings to the floor. Kobe's leadership runs hot and cold which is why this thread exists in the first place. For the mostpart Kobe's idea of leadership is shooting a lot and scoring.
Lebron's idea of leadership is making sure his teammates on the floor are happy and that they're involved and if he has to take over he'll take over. His teammates know what to expect night in and night out and they know they're going to be involved which is why they're performing so damn good. They're all in a comfort zone. Lebron doesn't change up the routine and throughout the course of a season that's how a team gets BETTER.
With Kobe he still has trouble with balancing his game and getting his teammates involved. His teammates don't know if they're going to get 3 shots one game or 10+ shots the next. Considering how many seasons Kobe's been in the league I find that sad. I've never seen a guy get injured and somehow find a way to shoot MORE instead of trying to play facilitator and make his team BETTER in the long run. Would they lose a few games in the process if Kobe deferred? Maybe. But that's how a team learns and gains confidence throughout the season. Kobe shouldn't need his team and coach calling him out to share the freakin ball. He should have enough of a b-ball IQ to do that himself.
The reasons you point out about Kobe is the exact reason why he is a better leader then lebron. Kobe changes routine...he does what needs to be done to win. To you, it may seem like NOT leadership....to some thats what leadership entails. Kobe doesnt care if his team is happy. Winning is what makes teammates happy...not taking fake pictures...not dancing on the sidelines. If i recall, his teamates looked damn happy during the Championship Parade, while your boy Lebron acted like a baby when he got owned by the Magic.
Once again...you might disagree. But the fact that Bryants "so called" crappy leadership makes his team go furthur each year proves my point. How bout Lebron? Props on the Finals in 2007...what has he done in the post season since then? Doesnt his leadership make his team better at the end of the season?
God Bless.
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