I agree. I believe Splitter is a more valuable asset than a pick and the reason to acquire Thomas is defense and rebounding. The Spurs have enough offense and very few possessions should end with a Thomas jump shot.
You realize that NBA coaches are good enough to force Thomas to take the shot. They just collapse an extra man into the lane and cover everyone else, sort of a box and one zone. It's REALLY difficult to hide a player on offense for more than a minute or two.
Even if true, would that keep you from making the trade discussed here?
I'd rather get Hinrich and TT than Salmons. Hinrich is a great defensive guard and a knockdown 3 point shooter. He's also signed for 2 more years, and his salary goes DOWN each year.
TT would be filler with possible re-signage at a lower rate; a project. He's not going to help this year at all. He doesn't have the jumper or the basketball chops. You HAVE to be able to do more than jump high and run fast.
So you wouldn't trade Finley/Mason/Bonner for Thomas/Salmons?
I don't understand the claims that TT can't make a difference this year. Did no one see his performance in last years playoff series versus ATL?
What I would do is immaterial, as is what you would do. Will the Spurs do that deal? Not likely.
I'll rephrase. Do you believe that trade, if made, would benefit the Spurs?
No, not even this year. It's FAR too late to integrate new rotation players.
It also costs them Ginobili this summer. If they don't let those deals roll off, there's no way they re-sign him.
Spurs won't make the deal as cons uted.
Ian Mahinmi - 6'11" 245
The safe bet is no such trade takes place. I disagree that it's too late to improve the team.
Having Hinrich on the books for next year would definitely make retaining Manu unlikely, Salmons won't cost much more than a new deal for Mason.
Excellent post. Despite the similar percentages, I think Mason is a better shooter than Salmons, but it's not by that wide a margin and if you give Salmons the looks that Mason get's, he'd probably shoot as good a percentage; he's not far off as is.
Primarily, Duncan would defend Bynum, McDyess would defend Gasol and Thomas would defend Odom. I presume Thomas would see some time on Gasol, but out of the Lakers bigs, he matches up best with Odom. At least theoretically.
Curry is 6-11 310
Other outdated listings that I know of: Bynum is 7-1 272, 7-0 not 285; Duncan is 240, not 260 and Nowitzki is 243, not 245. Probably the most unbelievable/foolish listings in the league are Thomas (Kurt) at 235 and Wallace (Rasheed) at 230; maybe ten years ago they were. Now? They've got to weigh significantly more than that.
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Excellent post!
So, Thomas is a throwaway? His QO is $6.25M. Between that and Salmons $5.8M, signing Manu is unlikely, not to mention Splitter. I think Mason may not be retained, anyway, so I factored that in already.
RJ is ing up our cap.
That is a valid question. He hsan't been,maybe he's overdue now?
Should the Spurs be willing to bet that Bynum will be unhealthy in the Playoffs?
No, but I might drop 100K on a vBookie.
The decision on Thomas belongs to the team. The way I look at it, the Spurs will be paying some new big somewhere in the neighborhood of the MLE next year. Personally, I hope that big is Splitter. Thomas could be a fallback. The Spurs don't have to tender the QO in order to negotiate with him, the QO only makes him a restricted FA. They could also tender the QO and then withdraw it up to a date about two weeks after the moratorium ends in July.
With regard to the wings, only RJ and Hairston are under contract. Even if Manu is resigned, I believe that the Spurs will try to keep Mason rather than filling out the rest of rotation with rookies and minimum contracts. That's why I think Salmons for 1 year at a slightly higher salary than Mason would require is a good option to fill a slot in the wing rotation next year.
I just don't see much downside risk to acquiring Thomas and Salmons for the expiring contracts. I definitely wouldn't give up Splitter's rights to make it happen. I probably wouldn't give up the 2010 first rounder either, but I don't know enough about the depth of this year's draft to be sure.
Mel's on point, as usual.
Regardless of what you think of Thomas and Salmons (how much they'd help this year or next), there just isn't a downside to acquiring them when put in the proper perspective.
As for giving up Splitter or a first-rounder? I wouldn't give up Splitter in this particular trade and, depending on the willingness to pay a first-round pick next year, I wouldn't want to part with next year's pick; I could be convinced, however, if Splitter's believed to be coming over and/or Thomas is deemed worthy of having his contract picked up. (that's essentially your pick next year)
Harrington to Bulls back in the rumor fires as NBA trade deadline approaches
By Matt Moore
The Tyrus Thomas to New York rumors were thought dead as time went on, but Ken Berger of CBSSports.com is reporting the deal is experiencing a 'Thriller' like revival, with the same pieces in place. Al Harrington provides a two-birds, one-stone combination for the Bulls. His scoring ability at the forward position may not be rife with down-low ability, but for an offense that occasionally borders on apoplectic, he's still sorely needed. And his expiring contract aids in their pursuit of the top-line free agents.
For the Knicks it means more salary dump and a promising young forward with hyper-athleticism to slot into D'Antoni's system. While Thomas' offensive fluency isn't exactly staggering, he's also less of a freezer point than Harrington. His option to opt-in might be considered a negative to some Knicks' fans, but with the team without its first round draft pick (owned by Utah, thanks, Isiah!), this could indicate the Knicks are realizing they're not as big a player this summer as we/they thought.
The Bulls meanwhile would have considerable depth at the forward position as well as a lot more flexibility. Brad Miller gives them scoring ability and a pinch post set that Vinny Del Negro loves to run into the ground, but isn't terribly effective. The addition of Harrington would mean that with either Noah or Gibson on the floor, there would be a scoring threat in the 4-5 spots on the floor. Harrington's defense would be the issue, but then, the expiring contract probably makes up for any gap there
Given their unwillingness to give Ratliff or Mahinmi any burn, it seems apparent that's exactly what they're doing.
all signs point to spurs not makin a trade before deadline......pop is one stubborn mofo....this is what pisses me off...no effort in games played and no effort in exploring new options......
I really question why spurs fans are so adamant as to not want to at least get some value for Splitter in a deal this year. IMO the spurs need the help right now and hoping Splitter pans out in 5 years is not going to help now. Splitter is at best a long shot and FAR from the "sure thing" he is being hyped up to be by his supporters in this forum. He is at best (IMO) a decent and serviceable big man in the euroleauge, but that isn't going to translate to much in the nba.
http://www.euroleague.net/uleb/domes...y%2022,%202009
Here's the latest installment of the Splitter saga. Not that impressive really. Splitter didn't do squat and luckily for Tau Pete Mickael stepped up his game in the absence of Splitter who had fouled out and was a non-factor.
Yep, I said Pete Mickael, drafted 58th by the mavs (58th is the dead last pick in the draft btw) in the year 2000.
And Tau let Marcus Haislip score 23 points. What does that say about Splitter's defense?
Splitter is right where he should be, in the Euroleague.
Pop thinks this year's Spurs team will be like 2007's.
Maybe there won't be a trade after all.
Duncan says he doesn't expect anything to happen in his post All-Star game interview.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100214_duncan.html
Splitter's rights are a team asset. I have no problem attaching a value to that asset and using it in a transaction to improve the team. I don't believe using that asset to tip the balance in the trade discussed here makes sense for the team. You apparently believe otherwise. OK.
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